[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're going to have to explain the relevance of either of these examples and what they have to do with anything I've said in this case?

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?

Erm, bring up who you want I'm asking why you're asking me to acknowledge JLC in relation to the conversation we were having.

You responded to me to disagree that there is a direct correlation between Ant and Caroline and the different ways ITV dealt with it. Your examples of JLC and Dan Osborne aren't adding anything to that (that I can see, hence me asking).

If you meant those as separate points you were making then it was probably the wording of your post.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Erm, bring up who you want I'm asking why you're asking me to acknowledge JLC in relation to the conversation we were having.

You responded to me to disagree that there is a direct correlation between Ant and Caroline and the different ways ITV dealt with it. Your examples of JLC and Dan Osborne aren't adding anything to that (that I can see, hence me asking).

If you meant those as separate points you were making then it was probably the wording of your post.

Are you saying Ant should of been sacked and never given a job again ?. I'm not going to compare the 2 , because i still think both situations with Caroline & Ant are different. Only similarities being that they hit rock bottom /got in trouble with the law .

Because you said if JLC got the same hate & scrutiny or something? , but he ruined his career and disappeared from the limelight and lost job opportunities.

Whereas Caroline was constantly in the papers , she didn't lose her job did she?. apparently it depended on the court hearing? .I', not sure as i didn't follow the case.

And Dan Wooten is a vile goblin that attacks everyone .

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Are you saying Ant should of been sacked and never given a job again ?. I'm not going to compare the 2 , because i still think both situations with Caroline & Ant are different. Only similarities being that they hit rock bottom /got in trouble with the law .

Those are the only similarities needed. Same employers, similar circumstances, within a small time frame.

I never said Ant should have got anything. I'm saying it's disgusting how differently they were treated. One publicly supported through his court appearance, told how he was being given time to deal with his issues and they were doing everything they could to help. God forbid, his reputation be in tatters when so much of ITV's schedule in the year relies on Ant & Dec and their golden handcuffs deals.

Caroline only makes a handful of appearances in the summer on an itv 2 show for a fraction of the price so wasn't afforded the same support.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Because you said if JLC got the same hate & scrutiny or something? , but he ruined his career and disappeared from the limelight and lost job opportunities.

You brought up JLC to begin with. I don't know why.
I simply said (in response to you bringing him up) if he got the same treatment as Caroline then I don't agree with that either.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Those are the only similarities needed.

I never said Ant should have got anything. I'm saying it's disgusting how differently they were treated. One publicly supported through his court appearance, told how he was being given time to deal with his issues and they were doing everything they could to help. God forbid, his reputation be in tatters when so much of ITV's schedule in the year relies on Ant & Dec and their golden handcuffs deals.

Caroline only makes a handful of appearances in the summer on an itv 2 show for a fraction of the price so wasn't afforded the same support.



You brought up JLC to begin with. I don't know why.
I simply said (in response to you bringing him up) if he got the same treatment as Caroline then I don't agree with that either.

I didn't know enough about what Ant got and didn't get, all i know is when he was caught on camera in his car crash looking dazed and out of it that it was a very low moment for him .

I know Ant & Dec are popular and they have ITV supporting them , but i don't necessarily think Ant could get away with stuff. Plus Ant knew he needed help. His relationship was ruined because of it.

Caroline pleaded not guilty didn't she? , it's all confusing as the boyfriend phoned the police in the first place and clearly they thought it was a serious matter. It was middle of a court case so it's raw and the media will lap it up.

The media attention probably would of gone onto someone else if she pulled through this.


As for reputation some people bounce back and others don't, the media and the public can be very fickle aswell.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I didn't know enough about what Ant got and didn't get, all i know is when he was caught on camera in his car crash looking dazed and out of it that it was a very low moment for him .

I know Ant & Dec are popular and they have ITV supporting them , but i don't necessarily think Ant could get away with stuff. Plus Ant knew he needed help. His relationship was ruined because of it.

Caroline pleaded not guilty didn't she? , it's all confusing as the boyfriend phoned the police in the first place and clearly they thought it was a serious matter. It was middle of a court case so it's raw and the media will lap it up.

The media attention probably would of gone onto someone else if she pulled through this.

I never said he "could get away with stuff". I feel you're not understanding what exactly my point is so I'll just politely end this here.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said he "could get away with stuff". I feel you're not understanding what exactly my point is so I'll just politely end this here.

You're saying he got support and she didn't, you also made it seem like ITV are more protective of Ant because of the popularity of his & Dec's TV shows.

I already know what you're saying. As I said I don't think many people knew the full extent of her mental health, and when assault allegations get thrown it onto the mix , it complicatees things.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

Because you didn't say her suicide surprised you. You said "Who would think..." in direct response to my post, so I responded to it in the context of that post.

The point being, nobody close to Caroline (ie. her management and itv) should need to think she was in danger of hurting herself in order to support her through it publicly the way they did Ant.