[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But what you're not acknowledging is Justin Lee Collins ruined his career, the guy disappeared off TV. I've never seen him again on anything. He's living a quiet life , wherever that is that's probably why he's not getting press scrutiny anymore.

Dan Osbourne was caught on tape threatening his partner ,yet he continued like nothing happened and it didn't seem to affect his publicity.

You're going to have to explain the relevance of either of these examples and what they have to do with anything I've said in this case?

My point was about two very similar cases in a short space of time of their employees suffering personal issues affecting their work with itv due to criminal act and the intense scrutiny they got because of it and how itv have handled both cases very differently.

JLC and Dan Osborne have nothing to do with it.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No it's being ridiculous

How is it ridiculous for a person to remind their friends that they are always there if they feel a bit down after somebody commits suicide?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're going to have to explain the relevance of either of these examples and what they have to do with anything I've said in this case?

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But she might of had other jobs lined up , but as I said the assault issue didn't help matters.

Well maybe she didn’t...I don’t suppose anyone would entertain her until the court case. She obviously had issues...I don’t know what they are as I know little about her tbh. It’s clearly stated she was vulnerable. Something clearly happened with her boyfriend..HE called the police and I recall the recording of his call. However, he didn’t want to press charges but the police did. They couldn’t ignore it..that’s what they have to do.
Being in the public spotlight was devastating for her....she could well have been lacking in support from those that should have..but these are facts we really don’t know. Maybe she did have support..but it wasn’t enough for her to do what she ultimately did.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?

Erm, bring up who you want I'm asking why you're asking me to acknowledge JLC in relation to the conversation we were having.

You responded to me to disagree that there is a direct correlation between Ant and Caroline and the different ways ITV dealt with it. Your examples of JLC and Dan Osborne aren't adding anything to that (that I can see, hence me asking).

If you meant those as separate points you were making then it was probably the wording of your post.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

So I can't bring up other celebrities who have had media scandals / hit rock bottom . But you can bring up Ant?, even princess Diana was brough into this.

Also to answer your previous post about it "irking " you , what was wrong with what I said? . All I'm saying is it was a shock as I didn't expect suicide, I'm definitely not alone in those thoughts.

Because you didn't say her suicide surprised you. You said "Who would think..." in direct response to my post, so I responded to it in the context of that post.

The point being, nobody close to Caroline (ie. her management and itv) should need to think she was in danger of hurting herself in order to support her through it publicly the way they did Ant.

[Mystic Mock]

Whether she's guilty or not of domestic violence, I don't feel that it's right that the Media have hounded her, and that she loses her job on LI before the Court Case had even begun.

And as horrible as domestic violence is (obviously) doesn't mean that the person should be hounded to the point where they kill themselves, and I would say the same for Jim Davidson, and anybody else that's committed domestic violence.

[Jake.]

The more I process this, the more upsetting I find it. The rags really are disgusting and, unfortunately, Caroline is simply their latest victim.

[Amy Jade]

She didn't lose her LI job did she? I thought she stepped away for this series only.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jake.

The more I process this, the more upsetting I find it. The rags really are disgusting and, unfortunately, Caroline is simply their latest victim.

And what evidence do you offer for this?

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids. Let's see what you actually mean?

It seems you, like many, know why she died??

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids.

Her fame and fortune came from the television shows she was employed by.

Not by the scum camped out on her doorstep.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

And what evidence do you offer for this?

Her fame and fortune came from the tabloids. Let's see what you actually mean?

It seems you, like many, know why she died??

Are you supporting how she was treated by the press? Because, if not, I’m failing to see what your point is.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

She didn't lose her LI job did she? I thought she stepped away for this series only.

I think that it would have been depending on the verdict of the court case

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Her fame and fortune came from the television shows she was employed by.

Not by the scum camped out on her doorstep.

The media are the public who watch the shows.

Newspapers are the audience

[thesheriff443]

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.

[Jake.]

The Sun deleting tons of articles from their website as we speak

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The media are the public who watch the shows.

Newspapers are the audience

You're not making any sense. The paps sat on her doorstep snapping her every move are the viewing public? Erm... no.

[thesheriff443]

Fame comes at a price, and for some it costs them their life.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Are you supporting how she was treated by the press? Because, if not, I’m failing to see what your point is.

Who are "the press" ?

The media who constantly publicise her shows for free?
That t make people watch L I

That generates ad revenue?

Do you understand how this works???

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're not making any sense. The paps sat on her doorstep snapping her every move are the viewing public? Erm... no.

Exactly.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.

That's not a defence tbh.

No matter what anyone does doesn't make it fair game for someone to be kicked whilst they're down and humiliated across the papers.

She committed a crime and the police were dealing with it. It's not the job of tabloids to punish her for it.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Reality is, people from all walks of life kill them selves for many reasons.

The press jumped on the story, but ultimately if there had been no assault there would be no story.

Sadly this is true..

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Fame comes at a price, and for some it costs them their life.

Yes

It's a two edged sword

Some only see one edge

Their edge

The other is far sharper

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The media who constantly publicise her shows for free?

For free? Erm... no.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

For free? Erm... no.

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