[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's not really anything to wait and see, it was all resolved years ago. A hotel worker accused him of rape, he said that in his mind there had been consent. The criminal case was dropped because she ended up not testifying, she took him to civil courts and he settled out of court. He later released a statement reflecting on it still saying that he had mistaken it for consent but could see on reflection after the evidence given in the civil case that he was wrong (essentially, he admitted to it). Nothing more came of it after the lawsuit settlement.

Yes that looks like consent

However, a medical examination appeared to lend support to the woman's case, with a doctor finding lacerations to her vaginal wall, a bruise on her neck and blood in her underwear. Bryant's shirt was also covered in blood, and he told police he'd not explicitly asked for her consent.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...opped-21375432

[Shaun]

Hasn't Joshua got a big fight this year? I'd imagine he'll take the Sports Personality away from him.

Olympics will also have a huge effect on the winner of it, provided we do well. Not to mention the probability of Hamilton winning F1 again.

I'd forgotten this was a Euros and Olympics year. I'm happy now.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Cherie

lol, it's well documented, he was also find 100k for a homophobic slur, and you went no where near THAT thread, are you a sports fan?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13075858

I'm not a sports fan at all and I don't live on this site so I don't see every thread. It's odd that you're trying to attack me over this though.

Originally Posted by Cherie

As usual I am talking sense, and you have to resort to insults

Ah, I see, you're in the mood for an argument and you'll try to paint anything I say as an insult. I'm not gonna rise to it, Cherie.

Be better.

[Jordan.]

Also odd that Kobe isn't being given the same consideration Tyson was earlier in the thread

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's not really anything to wait and see, it was all resolved years ago. A hotel worker accused him of rape, he said that in his mind there had been consent. The criminal case was dropped because she ended up not testifying, she took him to civil courts and he settled out of court. He later released a statement reflecting on it still saying that he had mistaken it for consent but could see on reflection after the evidence given in the civil case that he was wrong (essentially, he admitted to it). Nothing more came of it after the lawsuit settlement.

Oh, gross.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes that looks like consent

However, a medical examination appeared to lend support to the woman's case, with a doctor finding lacerations to her vaginal wall, a bruise on her neck and blood in her underwear. Bryant's shirt was also covered in blood, and he told police he'd not explicitly asked for her consent.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...opped-21375432

From what I read she agreed not to testify in the criminal case, if he apologised and she would civilly sue him. She was getting her name and reputation dragged through the mud and facing alot of harassment as often happens to rape victims when the accused is a popular sports star/celebrity. I wouldn't blame any woman in her situation for doing the same, as unfair as it is.

I read that they were saying because she'd had sex that day (consensually with an on/off b/f) that she was a bit of a slapper because if she said yes to one man that day that automatically means she's up for it with anyone.

I also read that after court Kobe said something like "I guess no really does mean no"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Also odd that Kobe isn't being given the same consideration Tyson was earlier in the thread

I think its because no one has heard of him very much? I mean who watches basketball in the UK?

[Withano]

What a ****

[Ammi]

....wasn’t it said that Tyson Fury would win Sports Personality last year, but he didn’t....?...

[Ammi]

...I’m a bit conflicted tbh...he’s staid some pretty grim stuff ...but he’s also seen as quite an inspirational person, so there is a lot of positive in him as a person as well..he’s flawed/he’s complicated/he’s human...I don’t know/conflicted...

[Ammi]

...with Kobe Bryant...I don’t see any comparison to be made whatsoever with any sadness felt for his family over his and Gigi’s death and whether Tyson Fury ‘is deserving or not deserving’ of Sports Personality of the Year...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...with Kobe Bryant...I don’t see any comparison to be made whatsoever with any sadness felt for his family over his and Gigi’s death and whether Tyson Fury ‘is deserving or not deserving’ of Sports Personality of the Year...

Nobody was talking about the "sadness of his family" though, it was how he's being lauded as this amazing person when he's actually a rapist.

[Ammi]

...I don’t see that he has been ‘lauded’ specifically though...I think there is great sadness for his and Gigi’s death, for the shock and tragedy of it ..and of the other families on board the plane...for me, it’s very much a sense of imagining the pain of the losses, which would be unbearable...and the touching words and tributes from those who knew him and who have loved him and his families and who feel the loss and the tragedy so deeply...I don’t see any particular ‘lauding’ that would relate to any other aspect of his life...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t see that he has been ‘lauded’ specifically though...I think there is great sadness for his and Gigi’s death, for the shock and tragedy of it ..and of the other families on board the plane...for me, it’s very much a sense of imagining the pain of the losses, which would be unbearable...and the touching words and tributes from those who knew him and who have loved him and his families and who feel the loss and the tragedy so deeply...I don’t see any particular ‘lauding’ that would relate to any other aspect of his life...

Maybe you need a reread of the thread Ammi, "Such a great guy" "a Legend" .....not words I would chose for a rapist but being good at basketball trumps that I guess

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I mean, fair enough but three children died in the crash which makes this sort of ... something.

I also think those circumstances are part of the reaction to his death tbf.

Let them mourn the rapist then..I ain't.

I will,,and do think about the children everytime I mention his name though...but they didn't need brought up in this thread.

[Ammi]

....honestly though, Niamh...there are only a very few posts in the thread that referred to him as a ‘legend’ in any way and I would think that they’re quite specific to him as a sportsman and from fans of his specific sport...the majority of thoughts are for his and Gigi’s family and the other families involved in the tragedy...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....wasn’t it said that Tyson Fury would win Sports Personality last year, but he didn’t....?...

2 years ago I think

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....honestly though, Niamh...there are only a very few posts in the thread that referred to him as a ‘legend’ in any way and I would think that they’re quite specific to him as a sportsman and from fans of his specific sport...the majority of thoughts are for his and Gigi’s family and the other families involved in the tragedy...

People shouldn't take it upon themselves to mourn people they would have never known..yes it's sad and tragic that families have been torn apart..but that's them.

It can't be healthy to feel sad enough about it that you would continually defend that mourning on a forum.

Unless people have tears streaming down thier faces as they type they should just shut up to be honest..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not a sports fan at all and I don't live on this site so I don't see every thread. It's odd that you're trying to attack me over this though.



Ah, I see, you're in the mood for an argument and you'll try to paint anything I say as an insult. I'm not gonna rise to it, Cherie.

Be better.

Not a sports fan no, the Kobe thread has been bumped often enough, and it was a huge story that made every media outlet so strange you missed it.

I didn't read the rest of your post after you accused me of 'blatering', and I wont be responding to you again until you can find yourself some manners and a way of responding to my posts without being insulting.

[Ammi]

...no one is continually defending anything, I have no idea what your post is referencing...so I’ll just leave you to it...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t see that he has been ‘lauded’ specifically though...I think there is great sadness for his and Gigi’s death, for the shock and tragedy of it ..and of the other families on board the plane...for me, it’s very much a sense of imagining the pain of the losses, which would be unbearable...and the touching words and tributes from those who knew him and who have loved him and his families and who feel the loss and the tragedy so deeply...I don’t see any particular ‘lauding’ that would relate to any other aspect of his life...

I didn't even know who these people were, and I am a sports fan, basketball is very niche, it was a human tragedy for all on board but I don't see the need to gloss over the mans human mistakes just because he had a tragic death.

[bots]

I didn't hear any outpourings of grief when Prince Andrew's pal "hung himself" in prison

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't even know who these people were, and I am a sports fan, basketball is very niche, it was a human tragedy for all on board but I don't see the need to gloss over the mans human mistakes just because he had a tragic death.

...no one glossed over, I doubt everyone in the thread was aware of all of the aspects of his life...I really don’t understand the connection to this thread...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I didn't hear any outpourings of grief when Prince Andrew's pal "hung himself" in prison

....that’s not really relevant either, bots...(.sorry...)...WHATABOUT...etc, etc...

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no one glossed over, I doubt everyone in the thread was aware of all of the aspects of his life...I really don’t understand the connection to this thread...

Bringing up Kobe glossed over Tyson it seems.