[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

most of that death rate stats comes from China where people smoke like crazy and healthcare is not the same as in the west so id take that stat about death rates cautiously

I was making the point that there is no way the majority of us have had it. I'll keep taking stats from medical professionals though, and wait for them to revise the lethality of the disease.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I was making the point that there is no way the majority of us have had it. I'll keep taking stats from medical professionals though, and wait for them to revise the lethality of the disease.

Yeah that might be a bit ott.

But mortality rate being lower..makes a hell of a lot of sense given it seems many do present extremely mildly, and children seem to have no symptoms at all in a lot of cases.

If you used only stats of those bad enough to be hospitalised with flu..and ignored everyone else, death rate would likely be 10% or something.

They do need to do random tests to find out how much its spread though..only focussing on those who ask for one..does not exactly give accurate info!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah that might be a bit ott.

But mortality rate being lower..makes a hell of a lot of sense given it seems many do present extremely mildly, and children seem to have no symptoms at all in a lot of cases.

If you used only stats of those bad enough to be hospitalised with flu..and ignored everyone else, death rate would likely be 10% or something.

They do need to do random tests to find out how much its spread though..only focussing on those who ask for one..does not exactly give accurate info!

I absolutely get that. I'll just wait for those that have spent their professional lives working with diseases to revise their figures and stats on it though.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I absolutely get that. I'll just wait for those that have spent their professional lives working with diseases to revise their figures and stats on it though.

Of course

In a few months, I do think its going to turn out this was a big fuss over..not nothing..but something thats not THAT dangerous overall (extremely contagious though, clearly, but any airborne new virus would be really as noone has immunity). Until then, obviously experts can only go on confirmed cases, and confirmation appears to be self selective too..

Could be very wrong though and it might wipe out half the population or something

Whats pissing me off, is I read an article the other day about a group of scientists who had requested the funds to start developing a vaccine against coronaviruses, which would probably have worked on all strains of it, at least to some degree. and they were refused. They would have had it now. This situation was avoidable, but no country wants to spend money on vital healthcare and prevention strategies..

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course

In a few months, I do think its going to turn out this was a big fuss over..not nothing..but something thats not THAT dangerous overall (extremely contagious though, clearly, but any airborne new virus would be really as noone has immunity). Until then, obviously experts can only go on confirmed cases, and confirmation appears to be self selective too..

Could be very wrong though and it might wipe out half the population or something

Whats pissing me off, is I read an article the other day about a group of scientists who had requested the funds to start developing a vaccine against coronaviruses, which would probably have worked on all strains of it, at least to some degree. and they were refused. They would have had it now. This situation was avoidable, but no country wants to spend money on vital healthcare and prevention strategies..

I follow a few doctors on twitter, and they are all saying things are actually worse than they seem. Of course it's their jobs to try and change our behaviour to make us less likely to catch it, so a bit of scaremongering is probably a good thing, but there is a lot of genuine concern about this combined with the fact that the stripping of the NHS over the last decade is a real risk factor. UK medical staff are already running out of the protective clothing they need and rely on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I follow a few doctors on twitter, and they are all saying things are actually worse than they seem. Of course it's their jobs to try and change our behaviour to make us less likely to catch it, so a bit of scaremongering is probably a good thing, but there is a lot of genuine concern about this combined with the fact that the stripping of the NHS over the last decade is a real risk factor. UK medical staff are already running out of the protective clothing they need and rely on.

id think its more that we have so many more people in this country who needs the NHS due to limitless immigration, we dont even know how many illegals arrive in the UK every year - Migration Watch UK i think estimated 1,000,000 in last decade - and that is illegals not other migrants

no wonder the NHS is feeling the strain

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

id think its more that we have so many more people in this country who needs the NHS due to limitless immigration, we dont even know how many illegals arrive in the UK every year - Migration Watch UK i think estimated 1,000,000 in last decade - and that is illegals not other migrants

no wonder the NHS is feeling the strain

Loads need the NHS yes, but I doubt its due to immigration. Infact tbh, in hospitals here, it seems at least half the doctors ARE immigrants, so immigration benefits the NHS rather than drains it if that follows everywhere!

[The Slim Reaper]

One thing I do find funny about this whole thing, is that folks have been promoting this blitz/ww2/british exceptionalism nonsense for half a decade then at the first sign of trouble we start panic buying toilet roll.

The contrast of perception vs reality about this country is laid out in stark and hilarious terms.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

One thing I do find funny about this whole thing, is that folks have been promoting this blitz/ww2/british exceptionalism nonsense for half a decade then at the first sign of trouble we start panic buying toilet roll.

The contrast of perception vs reality about this country is laid out stark and hilariously.

no "we" havent, you just made that up

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course

In a few months, I do think its going to turn out this was a big fuss over..not nothing..but something thats not THAT dangerous overall (extremely contagious though, clearly, but any airborne new virus would be really as noone has immunity). Until then, obviously experts can only go on confirmed cases, and confirmation appears to be self selective too..

Could be very wrong though and it might wipe out half the population or something

Whats pissing me off, is I read an article the other day about a group of scientists who had requested the funds to start developing a vaccine against coronaviruses, which would probably have worked on all strains of it, at least to some degree. and they were refused. They would have had it now. This situation was avoidable, but no country wants to spend money on vital healthcare and prevention strategies..

Really? I hadn't heard that, ffs

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I follow a few doctors on twitter, and they are all saying things are actually worse than they seem. Of course it's their jobs to try and change our behaviour to make us less likely to catch it, so a bit of scaremongering is probably a good thing, but there is a lot of genuine concern about this combined with the fact that the stripping of the NHS over the last decade is a real risk factor. UK medical staff are already running out of the protective clothing they need and rely on.

Its a huge disaster for the NHS I think. We only have something like 2 beds per thousand people to start with in hospitals

I think its not that much to worry about on a personal level, but NHS wise, it could crash the country if a lot (figures say 10% ish? Probably less but clearly alot) need some form of medical intervention. The NHS has been starved of funds for too long to deal with this, hence level 4 emergency and mass panic among medical staff

I guess cancelling events makes sense if trying to slow the spread, rather than contain it. But again, it needs to be most things/everything, not just random handpicked events! Airpoirts are the main issue I see.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really? I hadn't heard that, ffs

Might have been bull, I don't remember where I read it (defo not the sun or whatever, seemed to be some medical journal) but its been in my head since!