[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

What I said was meant in a jokey way. But some people took it seriously.

I don't even remember what you said as it was a while ago , I'll have to go through old posts.

But people are forgetting you can still be a fan of someone without lusting over them , didn't Laura or Lauren also get flirty comments on here and she was 17 on XF .

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't even remember what you said as it was a while ago , I'll have to go through old posts.

But people are forgetting you can still be a fan of someone without lusting over them , didn't Laura or Lauren also get flirty comments on here and she was 17 on XF .

She did. But she's female, so apparently it's allowed in here.

[montblanc]

gross

[Vanessa]

Just watched Perez video on YouTube. He showed stills of the video. You can clearly see that it's Tom.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

She said she fancies Tom as he is now, not when he was 16 .

What the hell are you on about?

I merely exclaimed shock that Vanessa is over 40.

[Vanessa]

I'm 46. I don't care what people think. I'm not ashamed of my age. We all get older. No one stays young forever.

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm 46. I don't care what people think. I'm not ashamed of my age. We all get older. No one stays young forever.

You don't look 46 Vanessa.

[montblanc]

period vanny

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm 46. I don't care what people think. I'm not ashamed of my age. We all get older. No one stays young forever.

Drag them Ness

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I'm 46. I don't care what people think. I'm not ashamed of my age. We all get older. No one stays young forever.

I also think a 16 year old kissing a 25+ year old is creepy and not right. It may be legal but it’s morally wrong imo, and shocked some people in here think it’s perfectly fine. It’s like the same age as a secondary school kid and a teacher, or a secondary school kid and a professor...

It’s interesting how all the parents are in agreement with you Ness and mainly the young lgbt members think it’s perfectly fine

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I also think a 16 year old kissing a 25+ year old is creepy and not right. It may be legal but it’s morally wrong imo, and shocked some people in here think it’s perfectly fine. It’s like the same age as a secondary school kid and a teacher, or a secondary school kid and a professor...

It’s interesting how all the parents are in agreement with you Ness and mainly the young lgbt members think it’s perfectly fine

It could be that they were both very drunk and it happened. But I think the older person should be more responsible. Not a good idea to drink too much.

[Marsh.]

Interesting how Jack is making it a "gays are pervs" thing.

[Amy Jade]

If the video doing the rounds is real it's a 3 second peck on the lips as part of a party game, nothing sexual at all so I'm not sure why there is so much controversy

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If the video doing the rounds is real it's a 3 second peck on the lips as part of a party game, nothing sexual at all so I'm not sure why there is so much controversy

Tbh I haven't seen the video , it's just the idea of it which most of us find weird with or without context .

[Vanessa]

Apparently it happened in China last year. Where the age of consent is 14

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Apparently it happened in China last year. Where the age of consent is 14

Jeeez

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

If the video doing the rounds is real it's a 3 second peck on the lips as part of a party game, nothing sexual at all so I'm not sure why there is so much controversy

But why was a 15 year old drinking? Not good

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But why was a 15 year old drinking? Not good

Who said drinking? I said party. There is no evidence anyone was drinking.

[Cal.]

This is grim. I don’t understand how it’s legal for somebody over the age of 18 to be going with 16-17 year olds. They’re children.

[Vanessa]

Now Perez is saying that it actually happened in Japan. Where the age of consent is 13.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Who said drinking? I said party. There is no evidence anyone was drinking.

Thats what Perez was saying. I didn't see the video. Only some stills from it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Now Perez is saying that it actually happened in Japan. Where the age of consent is 13.

The consent laws in Japan are a bit more complicated than that, sex under 13 carries a minimum jail term but 13 isn't the age of full consent, there is another law about adults not engaging in sexual activity with "children" and most Japanese courts define children as anyone up to the age of 16, but some even 18. The issue is quite cloudy really. But in general, no, modern Japanese culture wouldn't consider 13 to be the appropriate age of full consent.

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I also think a 16 year old kissing a 25+ year old is creepy and not right. It may be legal but it’s morally wrong imo, and shocked some people in here think it’s perfectly fine. It’s like the same age as a secondary school kid and a teacher, or a secondary school kid and a professor...

It’s interesting how all the parents are in agreement with you Ness and mainly the young lgbt members think it’s perfectly fine

It's got nothing to do with being LGBT. Sounds like you're suggesting LGBT people hold themselves to a lower standard and accept things that hetero-normative folk would not. I'm pretty sure most people in here have expressed that it is somewhat creepy but that it's also not a huge deal considering it was a consensual kiss between two people that are of the legal age of consent.

If it was sex I'd probably have a different view but a drunken snog is nowt to fume over.

ALSO can we not forget this is being alleged by PEREZ HILTON of all people? He's unhinged, and the fact that the details of his story have changed so many times since he began threatening legal action just suggests how totally uninformed he could be.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Jigs

It's got nothing to do with being LGBT. Sounds like you're suggesting LGBT people hold themselves to a lower standard and accept things that hetero-normative folk would not. I'm pretty sure most people in here have expressed that it is somewhat creepy but that it's also not a huge deal considering it was a consensual kiss between two people that are of the legal age of consent.

If it was sex I'd probably have a different view but a drunken snog is nowt to fume over.

ALSO can we not forget this is being alleged by PEREZ HILTON of all people? He's unhinged, and the fact that the details of his story have changed so many times since he began threatening legal action just suggests how totally uninformed he could be.

He's definitely got the video. He showed some stills from it.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The consent laws in Japan are a bit more complicated than that, sex under 13 carries a minimum jail term but 13 isn't the age of full consent, there is another law about adults not engaging in sexual activity with "children" and most Japanese courts define children as anyone up to the age of 16, but some even 18. The issue is quite cloudy really. But in general, no, modern Japanese culture wouldn't consider 13 to be the appropriate age of full consent.

Ah ok, thanks. Sounds complicated