[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) has raised concerns over the ongoing “toxic” debate around transgender rights in the UK and its long-term impact on the country.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9661801.html


Its a common opinion if you google it

no wonder that person is the former chair of that commission then


long-term impact on the country? being transphobic just like homophobia is a disease, that is more a problem for the UK

and this calls itself ''equality, human rights commission''

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

If I'm honest, this is the post that got me really angry

Then you should of asked them what they meant , this is a sensitive complicated issue . And throwing insults around without a proper debate doesn't solve anything.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

If I'm honest, this is the post that got me really angry

Originally Posted by Daniel.

I'm guessing no one saw Arista's comment if they want proof

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh arista's baiting has long gone ignored I'll give you that.

My brain sometimes just automatically disregards his posts tbh so it didn't occur to me someone would take it seriously

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Terfs are toxic and this forum is full of them and I'm sick of biting my toungue you can all go **** yourselves

What if we prefer the opposite sex?

[user104658]

Can't believe this has turned into an AERT thread

(Arista Exclusionary Rational Tibbers)

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Then you should of asked them what they meant , this is a sensitive complicated issue . And throwing insults around without a proper debate doesn't solve anything.

You are correct, I was dumb

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

No matter how thinly veiled, it's still transphobia.



And, I'm guessing no one saw Arista's comment if they want proof

Then report the post/s that concerns you and add to the debate in future instead of entering the thread just to champion comments that insult other members.

[Cherie]

It would be nice to think that the issue could be resolved without anyone being offended or disadvantaged but that needs people to discuss it and come up with solutions

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Then report the post/s that concerns you and add to the debate in future instead of entering the thread just to champion comments that insult other members.

No, I won't just report transphobia lol

[UserSince2005]

I too am disgusted, it is the 21st year of the 21st century!!! Let start treating all with respect.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be nice to think that the issue could be resolved without anyone being offended or disadvantaged but that needs people to discuss it and come up with solutions

The problem sometimes is that it's compared directly with women's rights and gay rights battles when it's actually more complex because there are worries and challenges coming from women, who are undeniably another recent (and let's face it... Still current) group fighting to gain rights. I think that gets pushed aside quite often. Women's rights are still lacking in areas and frankly extremely fragile... But their being viewed in the same light as, for example, the privileged gammons-in-power who were against gay rights. Its just not the same at all.

Worse still is the clash between the lesbian and transgender communities because let's be honest... Gay women have always been the poor cousins of LGBT.

[Novo]

will always be differences between a trans women and a biological women, hardly transphobic to say that its just biology and most trans people will acknowledge that, its only transphobic if you are insulting the person and i don't really see that as an insult, they are still a trans women end of the day, you ain't calling them a man.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

You are correct, I was dumb

You were not and are not dumb. Its obviously a very sensitive subject for you and its awful you are facing **** from people. Sadly, though there will always be dickheads but most people (on here) will not be coming at you or trans issues as a whole from a place of malice. :hugs:

[Jessica.]

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum. Yes, calling a transwoman a man is transphobia.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem sometimes is that it's compared directly with women's rights and gay rights battles when it's actually more complex because there are worries and challenges coming from women, who are undeniably another recent (and let's face it... Still current) group fighting to gain rights. I think that gets pushed aside quite often. Women's rights are still lacking in areas and frankly extremely fragile... But their being viewed in the same light as, for example, the privileged gammons-in-power who were against gay rights. Its just not the same at all.

Worse still is the clash between the lesbian and transgender communities because let's be honest... Gay women have always been the poor cousins of LGBT.

Yeah it's very complex , and the problem is everyone part of the LGBT community just all get thrown together and seen as "weird" which isn't fair. And we see the argumentative activists who speak for them on TV alot which doesn't represent the whole community really.

And we don't hear much about trans men , it's usually trans women.

But I remember both boys and girls actually had to share the same toilets in infants, but nobody seemed to think it was odd at the time. But things are different today.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum. Yes, calling a transwoman a man is transphobia.

There's nastiness associated with any debate. Not really a reason to shout down any discussion on it.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum. Yes, calling a transwoman a man is transphobia.

It's not just sports, but female spaces in general.

But sports is an example which is easy to understand, as males are (in general) stronger and faster than females, giving them an advantage.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum. Yes, calling a transwoman a man is transphobia.

And I couldn't have said it any better than you have.

It seems that lately it's always the threads about sexuality and gender that trigger the most heated conversations and obvious ignorance.

Some people really feel fragile and threatened when it comes to how others live their lives. Just move on and accept others for what they are, it really is not hard. Nobody is attacking or threatening you, just relax and love it.

[user104658]

When it comes to public toilets I am PERSONALLY still a massive advocate of unisex single-cubicles. More and more places have them and I think it's absolutely the way forward. In all honesty, I don't particularly like sharing bathroom space with ANYONE so I'm quite biased here.

Also, as the male parent of a female child with additional needs, they are a godsend. It wasn't so much of an issue when she was really little, but she's 8 now so I don't really want to troop her in past the grubby blokes at the urinals to a cubicle in a men's toilets... and I can't just wander on into the ladies with her... so if there isn't an available disabled toilet it becomes an issue. A few nearby shopping complexes/malls just have rows of individual locking bathrooms now and I love it. In the 21st century... I just can't see many good arguments to not make this "the norm" for toilets/changing areas/etc. Solves a multitude of very basic problems.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And I couldn't have said it any better than you have.

It seems that lately it's always the threads about sexuality and gender that trigger the most heated conversations and obvious ignorance.

Some people really feel fragile and threatened when it comes to how others live their lives. Just move on and accept others for what they are, it really is not hard. Nobody is attacking or threatening you, just relax and love it.

The irony really is in how naive and ignorant this post is .

"Shut up women, your rights are not being attacked or threatened, just relax and love it".

Massively problematic.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

And I couldn't have said it any better than you have.

It seems that lately it's always the threads about sexuality and gender that trigger the most heated conversations and obvious ignorance.

Some people really feel fragile and threatened when it comes to how others live their lives. Just move on and accept others for what they are, it really is not hard. Nobody is attacking or threatening you, just relax and love it.

Yet it seems this kind of condescending misogyny is acceptable.

Not.

[Novo]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Stop pretending that you care about fairness in sports when that is one of the least relevant parts of the conversation. If that was the only problem people had with trans women then there wouldn't be the same transphobia over and over on the forum. Yes, calling a transwoman a man is transphobia.

sports is highly relevant if you are passionate about it and even if you are not surely you would want a level playing ground for biological women and not to be done out of achievements because someone is biologically built different and allowed to compete in the field you are in

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The irony really is in how naive and ignorant this post is .

"Shut up women, your rights are not being attacked or threatened, just relax and love it".

Massively problematic.

But their rights aren't being attacked though. From what I understood by reading, listening trans people, listening women themselves etc That's getting educated on certain topics that I'm not personally concerned with. I think that's fair to get interested in what others live and go through. And I'm not saying what others feel is not valid either.


It's always been proven that Trans rights are women’s rights too, one doesn't put at risk the others and I think it's a pity some people try to put these two against each other when things can be worked out. I always feel a little bit sad when I see feminists fighting with trans activists. It requires a lot of education and talking and really be aware to work it out.
I didn't mean any harm to anyone. If anything, I've always been a promoter of unisex toilets with solutions that come with them (because that seems to be the issue here), and equal rights for all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

But their rights aren't being attacked though. From what I understood by reading, listening trans people, listening women themselves etc That's getting educated on certain topics that I'm not personally concerned with. I think that's fair to get interested in what others live and go through. And I'm not saying what others feel is not valid either.


It's always been proven that Trans rights are women’s rights too, one doesn't put at risk the others and I think it's a pity some people try to put these two against each other when things can be worked out. I always feel a little bit sad when I see feminists fighting with trans activists. It requires a lot of education and talking and really be aware to work it out.
I didn't mean any harm to anyone. If anything, I've always been a promoter of unisex toilets with solutions that come with them (because that seems to be the issue here), and equal rights for all.

If someone thinks their rights are at risk, and you think otherwise, you need to explain why their fears are misplaced... carefully, in detail, and respecting those worries. "Lol no you are wrong, be quiet and relax" is dismissive at very best and yes I agree with Marsh, straight-up misogyny at worst. Massive conotations.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yet it seems this kind of condescending misogyny is acceptable.

Not.

I wasn't specifically talking about that issue in particular, but more so about the general feel I get lately on this forum that there's a lot of heated debates around that and how we still have a long way to go before completely accepting people for their genders and sexualities without judging them or making assumptions about who is who and who loves who and what. What I said is that it really can't be that hard to accept people for who they are. I mean, why the hatred ans refusal to get educated on this topic. That's the feel I got lately and I get it that not everybody shares that and I'm OK with that.

That's basically all I said and I wish everybody would be more open-minded and accepting of people that are marginalized and discriminated on.