[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They surely wouldn't be running a half marathon or lobbing the shot putt, whilst in the midst of a transitional.


Even a butterfly has to lay down for stuff like that.

That's like saying women are too busy menstruating to take part in sports. I doubt transitioning is so time consuming they don't have time for anything else.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's like saying women are too busy menstruating to take part in sports. I doubt transitioning is so time consuming they don't have time for anything else.

Woildnt the medicines they take get them banned under current regulations?

[GoldHeart]

The problem is the assumption that they all want to compete in women's sports ,but that's not the case atall. .

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The problem is the assumption that they all want to compete in women's sports ,but that's not the case atall. .

Nobody has said that

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Nobody has said that

I don't mean in this thread Niamh, I'm talking about in general. There was a trans bodybuilding who had misinformation spread about her wanting to compete in women's sports.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't mean in this thread Niamh, I'm talking about in general. There was a trans bodybuilding who had misinformation spread about her wanting to compete in women's sports.

so if true that is one specific example

Not

In general

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Woildnt the medicines they take get them banned under current regulations?

In the states with Joe Bidens new bill all you need do is say which gender you identify as, no medication required

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

In the states with Joe Bidens new bill all you need do is say which gender you identify as, no medication required

If the women have any sense they will identify as male for the higher pay packet..

I'm back tomorrow with some more useful life tips.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If the women have any sense they will identify as male for the higher pay packet..



I'm back tomorrow with some more useful life tips.

If women could just identify out of being women that easily our lives in general would be a lot easier

[bots]

people are just trying to muddy the waters and create conflict and confusion in my humble opinion. Sports should continue to by categorized by biological sex. If within those sex categories there are different genders ... that is something the world will need to get used to, but at least the fairness of competition will be maintained.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people are just trying to muddy the waters and create conflict and confusion in my humble opinion. Sports should continue to by categorized by biological sex. If within those sex categories there are different genders ... that is something the world will need to get used to, but at least the fairness of competition will be maintained.

The issue there is in performance enhancement though, and it still disproportionately affects women’s sports. A biologically female transman who has been on testosterone for years will ALSO have a distinct strength advantage over unmedicated people. There’s a reason that various hormones are banned as performance enhancing drugs in most if not all sports.

The inverse would be true of men’s sports; if a top male Rugby player starts taking female hormones to transition, he will quickly lose the strength needed to compete in the top men’s tiers.

The problem is that hormones end up with a “half way point” that fits in neither category. Trans women taking hormones lose physical strength, so they’re not as strong as the men, but are still stronger than other women. Transmen gain an advantage over other biological females, but it’s unlikely to be to the extent that they can compete with biological males.

I can appreciate that it’s very complicated. But of course, the focus needs to always remain in no one gaining an unfair advantage, and (first and foremost) safety.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

If the women have any sense they will identify as male for the higher pay packet..

I'm back tomorrow with some more useful life tips.

They wouldn’t be able to compete in the top male tiers. That’s the whole problem, Parmy. One of the Williams sisters did an exhibition match that all but proved this years back; she played a male player who was way down at 100th+ in the rankings while she was #1 in women’s tennis and he beat her fairly quickly. Her technical game (the part you can practice) was miles ahead of his, but the strength and speed of the serve in the men’s game meant she struggled to return serve frequently. It quite succinctly sums up the issue I think. Women can train to be just as skilled as men, but they can’t realistically reach the same strength level... because it’s a basic biological advantage. There’s no way around it.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They wouldn’t be able to compete in the top male tiers. That’s the whole problem, Parmy. One of the Williams sisters did an exhibition match that all but proved this years back; she played a male player who was way down at 100th+ in the rankings while she was #1 in women’s tennis and he beat her fairly quickly. Her technical game (the part you can practice) was miles ahead of his, but the strength and speed of the serve in the men’s game meant she struggled to return serve frequently. It quite succinctly sums up the issue I think. Women can train to be just as skilled as men, but they can’t realistically reach the same strength level... because it’s a basic biological advantage. There’s no way around it.

Then shouldn't they be treated like all the other men who cant make the grade in that case, as that would maintain their acceptance level fairly.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Then shouldn't they be treated like all the other men who cant make the grade in that case, as that would maintain their acceptance level fairly.

Are you talking about transmen here or all women? If you're talking about transmen presumably that is what already happens

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They wouldn’t be able to compete in the top male tiers. That’s the whole problem, Parmy. One of the Williams sisters did an exhibition match that all but proved this years back; she played a male player who was way down at 100th+ in the rankings while she was #1 in women’s tennis and he beat her fairly quickly. Her technical game (the part you can practice) was miles ahead of his, but the strength and speed of the serve in the men’s game meant she struggled to return serve frequently. It quite succinctly sums up the issue I think. Women can train to be just as skilled as men, but they can’t realistically reach the same strength level... because it’s a basic biological advantage. There’s no way around it.

FC Dallas under-15 boys beat the USA Women's National team 5-2

[bots]

if you look at the mixed doubles matches at wimbledon, when the man serves against the woman it's hilarious. If they are lucky enough to get the ball back, the follow up smash ends the point

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

if you look at the mixed doubles matches at wimbledon, when the man serves against the woman it's hilarious. If they are lucky enough to get the ball back, the follow up smash ends the point

It makes for some really boring tennis matches in early rounds to be honest, the big-serve men’s games. Quarter finals and beyond is the only part that’s still good because the top tier players are the only ones who can reliably return a top tier serve and get into the part of the game that’s actually entertaining to watch.