[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No it should be moved up a class it has clear links to mental health problems
It’s usually the starting point for drug user’s and drug sellers
It stinks
White people smoke it and talk like they are a Rastafarian straight out of Jamaica and talk complete bollox

The mental health issues are more the effect of unregulated street weed (with disproportionately high THC to CBD and possible contamination with other substances) than anything else. Pure cannabis (the type obtainable in countries where weed’s decriminalised/legalised) seems to be much better for those things.

I’d rather random people talking Rastafarian than going out picking fights with anyone with a pulse and stripping naked on the streets (the effects of alcohol) but that’s just me.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Redway

The mental health issues are more the effect of unregulated street weed (with disproportionately high THC to CBD and possible contamination with other substances) than anything else. Pure cannabis (the type obtainable in countries where weed’s decriminalised/legalised) seems to be much better for those things.

I’d rather random people talking Rastafarian than going out picking fights with anyone with a pulse and stripping naked on the streets (the effects of alcohol) but that’s just me.

It’s interesting you mention alcohol because drug driving is just as serious and reckless as drink driving

A human brain does not work the same when it’s under the influence of drink or drugs

The idea that if smoking weed fills the world with chilled out people is nonexistent

Dealing and growing weed is highly profitable and run by gangs that use violence to keep or take control of areas

Only recently 3 people were convicted of murder after rivals broke into a grow house and a fight broke out, two people were killed with a cross bow and in the struggle one guy shot and killed his own brother

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s interesting you mention alcohol because drug driving is just as serious and reckless as drink driving

A human brain does not work the same when it’s under the influence of drink or drugs

The idea that if smoking weed fills the world with chilled out people is nonexistent

Dealing and growing weed is highly profitable and run by gangs that use violence to keep or take control of areas

Only recently 3 people were convicted of murder after rivals broke into a grow house and a fight broke out, two people were killed with a cross bow and in the struggle one guy shot and killed his own brother

Legalising it would massively reduce that though. People wouldn't have to buy it from criminals anymore

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Legalising it would massively reduce that though. People wouldn't have to buy it from criminals anymore

That would not stop the problem

Fags are legal but people still buy and sell illegal fags

Then there would be people saying legal weed is not as strong or good as non illegal weed and create a black market

Plus you get the idiots that say smoking weed is better for you than fags when you break a fag and remove the filter to make a spliff

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

That would not stop the problem

Fags are legal but people still buy and sell illegal fags

Then there would be people saying legal weed is not as strong or good as non illegal weed and create a black market

Plus you get the idiots that say smoking weed is better for you than fags when you break a fag and remove the filter to make a spliff

I didn't say it would stop it but it would greatly reduce it imo Most people would opt for the legal option if the option was there, just like most people buy legal cigarettes rather than the black market cigarettes

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I didn't say it would stop it but it would greatly reduce it imo Most people would opt for the legal option if the option was there, just like most people buy legal cigarettes rather than the black market cigarettes

Unless it stops the illegal side of things you are just making a two tier problem

People that smoke weed are not all young single people many have families the money that is spent on weed is taken from the family pot, weed causes harm in a family setting

Weed is a drug like any other and like cocaine it’s marketed as a recreational drug

We should not be encouraging or giving people an option to do drugs

Because alcohol is legal and that destroys so many lives

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Unless it stops the illegal side of things you are just making a two tier problem

People that smoke weed are not all young single people many have families the money that is spent on weed is taken from the family pot, weed causes harm in a family setting

Weed is a drug like any other and like cocaine it’s marketed as a recreational drug

We should not be encouraging or giving people an option to do drugs

Because alcohol is legal and that destroys so many lives

Practically everything "has an illegal side" you can buy most things on the black market.

Yes drugs and alcohol can cause issues if abused but it's very nanny state like to take away the choice for everyone because some people have addictive personalities

***I don't smoke marijuana so this isn't coming from me wanting to smoke it

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s interesting you mention alcohol because drug driving is just as serious and reckless as drink driving

A human brain does not work the same when it’s under the influence of drink or drugs

The idea that if smoking weed fills the world with chilled out people is nonexistent

Dealing and growing weed is highly profitable and run by gangs that use violence to keep or take control of areas

Only recently 3 people were convicted of murder after rivals broke into a grow house and a fight broke out, two people were killed with a cross bow and in the struggle one guy shot and killed his own brother

Driving on weed is nowhere near as dangerous and reckless as alcohol.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Driving on weed is nowhere near as dangerous and reckless as alcohol.

It’s a criminal offence so you are wrong

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a criminal offence so you are wrong

Legality is a completely different metric to danger.

It's illegal to walk up to a stranger and punch them in the face, and also to stab someone in the neck, but those things are not equal when it comes to danger.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Driving on weed is nowhere near as dangerous and reckless as alcohol.

But doesn't weed make you feel 'Drunk'?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

But doesn't weed make you feel 'Drunk'?

I'm sure most people have different experiences, but the high from weed is completely different from the buzz of alcohol.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm sure most people have different experiences, but the high from weed is completely different from the buzz of alcohol.

Again subjectively how it feels is not necessarily the reality of neurological effect; THC is not a stimulant. You don't get "high" on weed, it's chemically impossible, it's a depressive that produces dopamine, which is exactly what alcohol does. It's just a "cleaner" dopamine flood. You're still doped-up.

It's also the reason that - just like daily drinking - habitual regular use beats the **** out of your D1 dopamine receptors, making normal dopamine levels ineffective at regulating mood. i.e. it causes depression and anxiety and your only options are to

1) continue to flood with excess dopamine (continue daily drinking or smoking)

2) Compensate with serotonin increases (i.e. SSRI antidepressants, or obsessive exercise for tryptophan release. Often neither are enough.)

or 3) stop for long enough to (hopefully) allow the dopamine receptors to return to normal function (if they're not damaged beyond repair).

So again ... ... no to legalisation and normalisation.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again subjectively how it feels is not necessarily the reality of neurological effect; THC is not a stimulant. You don't get "high" on weed, it's chemically impossible, it's a depressive that produces dopamine, which is exactly what alcohol does. It's just a "cleaner" dopamine flood. You're still doped-up.

It's also the reason that - just like daily drinking - habitual regular use beats the **** out of your D1 dopamine receptors, making normal dopamine levels ineffective at regulating mood. i.e. it causes depression and anxiety and your only options are to

1) continue to flood with excess dopamine (continue daily drinking or smoking)

2) Compensate with serotonin increases (i.e. SSRI antidepressants, or obsessive exercise for tryptophan release. Often neither are enough.)

or 3) stop for long enough to (hopefully) allow the dopamine receptors to return to normal function (if they're not damaged beyond repair).

So again ... ... no to legalisation and normalisation.

But using those words to describe the difference to someone who obviously didn't really have a clue (Not using that in a demeaning way, rusti) is a completely reasonable thing to do as it used the commonly known parlance descriptors.