[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

So what now she is an innocent victim
Have you forgot she wouldn’t condemn those that did the Manchester bombing

There’s a pretty big grey area between “innocent victim” and “terrorist” - anyway, the point is that the people who could actually figure this out (i.e. not us sat at home) haven’t even assessed her or engaged with it at all so we have no idea. It’s not about stating facts about her, it’s just about saying “it’s our responsibility to actually get to the facts”. I still say at the very least she could offer invaluable insight into how organisations like ISIS groom young people online, which is all useful in stopping it from happening.

As for not condemning the bombing, she was in a prison camp surrounded by Islamic extremists. You’d keep your mouth shut in that situation too. Again not saying we can definitely know her reasons - just that it’s very plausible.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There’s a pretty big grey area between “innocent victim” and “terrorist” - anyway, the point is that the people who could actually figure this out (i.e. not us sat at home) haven’t even assessed her or engaged with it at all so we have no idea. It’s not about stating facts about her, it’s just about saying “it’s our responsibility to actually get to the facts”. I still say at the very least she could offer invaluable insight into how organisations like ISIS groom young people online, which is all useful in stopping it from happening.

As for not condemning the bombing, she was in a prison camp surrounded by Islamic extremists. You’d keep your mouth shut in that situation too. Again not saying we can definitely know her reasons - just that it’s very plausible.

No grey area
She knew right from wrong

And chose to fight for terrorists hence joining them

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

No grey area
She knew right from wrong

That's not how grooming works. You could argue you don't believe she was actually groomed, I suppose, but not that grooming doesn't exist.

And chose to fight for terrorists hence joining them

She was a non-combatant from everything we know about her time with ISIS; there's been no suggestion or indication at all that she's been directly involved in any violence. She chose to join them knowing that they were terrorists, yes. Although of course, part of the grooming process would be convincing people that they are "soldiers" or "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not how grooming works. You could argue you don't believe she was actually groomed, I suppose, but not that grooming doesn't exist.



She was a non-combatant from everything we know about her time with ISIS; there's been no suggestion or indication at all that she's been directly involved in any violence. She chose to join them knowing that they were terrorists, yes. Although of course, part of the grooming process would be convincing people that they are "soldiers" or "freedom fighters" rather than terrorists.

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

Yes ITV GMBHD Live asked her that
she said that is not true,

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes ITV GMBHD Live asked her that
she said that is not true,

Well...I guess she would say that wouldn't she

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well apparently she was involved in sewing suicide vests onto fighters including making it so that they couldn't be removed by the fighter themselves without the vest detonating

No Matt she was head of the sewing club making warm woolly jumpers for the fighters so when they were out murdering women and children they didn’t get cold

Heart of gold that girl