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Originally Posted by glib

Once this gains a bit more publicity I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

I was gonna say the reasoning for this one makes it less black and white versus wearing animal fur.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

animal testing has now been outlawed in over 41 countries…
Including the EU



“more than 100 million animals—including mice, rats, frogs, dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, monkeys, fish, and birds” peta

“ Around two-fifths (of the uk) say they oppose the testing of completed medicines (41%) and medical ingredients (44%) on animals. ” yougov

I will repeat
Animals should not suffer for humans

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by glib

animal testing has now been outlawed in over 41 countries…
Including the EU



“more than 100 million animals—including mice, rats, frogs, dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, guinea pigs, monkeys, fish, and birds” peta

“ Around two-fifths (of the uk) say they oppose the testing of completed medicines (41%) and medical ingredients (44%) on animals. ” yougov

I will repeat
Animals should not suffer for humans

Well first of all you've moved the goal posts here, you're now talking about medical testing of drugs on animals rather than using animal organs as a life saving procedure and secondally you said "I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag" which is blatantly not true, people are never going to think using animals for medical reasons and life saving reasons is on par with using an animal's skin or fur for fashion. And I'm sure a you.gov Poll would have the %'s twice the height for that

[glib]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well first of all you've moved the goal posts here, you're now talking about medical testing of drugs on animals rather than using animal organs as a life saving procedure and secondally you said "I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag" which is blatantly not true, people are never going to think using animals for medical reasons and life saving reasons is on par with using an animal's skin or fur for fashion. And I'm sure a you.gov Poll would have the %'s twice the height for that

I moved no ‘goal post’, you brought up the medical side and seemed very confident that no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons, which I have disproven’

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Originally Posted by glib

I moved no ‘goal post’, you brought up the medical side and seemed very confident that no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons, which I have disproven’

I said no one has a problem with the use of animals for medical reasons? Quote where I said that please. What I said was :

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

In response to you saying that using a pigs heart to save a mans life will have the same stigma to killing animals for fashion (see your post below)

Originally Posted by glib

Once this gains a bit more publicity I’m sure it will have the same stigma as having a fur coat or snakeskin handbag

[glib]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It definitely won't, not when it's for medical reasons rather than fashion

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

I’m sorry if English isn’t your first language., stigma is not a common word..

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by glib

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

I’m sorry if English isn’t your first language., stigma is not a common word..

Less of your cheek tyvm.

No no no sir, I don't want "in other words" or you deciding what I said, I want you to show me with my own words where I said "No one will have a problem with" or "Everyone will be 100% OK with"....... I said no such things. What I said was there will definitely not be THE SAME stigma attached to using animals for medical or life saving purposes as there is to using animals for fashion reasons.

PS Stigma is a pretty common word

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Originally Posted by glib

Here
You claim there will ‘definitely’ be (no stigma) against using animals for ‘medical reasons’

In other words

No one will have a problem against using animals for medical reasons
Or
Everyone will be fine with using animals for medical purposes 100%

Incorrect, the word stigma implies disapproval from a significant number of people in a group or society. Disapproval from a small group (say, animal rights activists) is not a “stigma”.

There is a stigma to wearing furs these days because a large percentage of people are against it (perhaps the majority). Interestingly, the same doesn’t apply to leather .

So it’s not going to apply to heart transplants.

The banning of animal testing refers to PRODUCTS, by the way. Make up, etc.

We still do medical research on animals.

Sorry to be the one to break the news.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Incorrect, the word stigma implies disapproval from a significant number of people in a group or society. Disapproval from a small group (say, animal rights activists) is not a “stigma”.

There is a stigma to wearing furs these days because a large percentage of people are against it (perhaps the majority). Interestingly, the same doesn’t apply to leather .

So it’s not going to apply to heart transplants.

The banning of animal testing refers to PRODUCTS, by the way. Make up, etc.

We still do medical research on animals.

Sorry to be the one to break the news.

Is it because leather is made from cows that have already been killed for meat where as animals that are killed and/or bred for their fur are usually traditionally wild animals and are only used for their fur?

**That's a guess I'm not 100% sure where or how they make leather but assume it's from cow hide