[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

Simon Calder
on GMBHD itv
has found out they are registered
with a Firm in Jersey.

Which means, they are Not under UK Employment Rules

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Simon Calder
on GMBHD itv
has found out they are registered
with a Firm in Jersey.

Which means, they are Not under UK Employment Rules

misinformation

They are employed in the UK and members of a union, so they are under uk rules, doesn't matter where the company is registered

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

misinformation

They are employed in the UK and members of a union, so they are under uk rules, doesn't matter where the company is registered

Its Legal people
told him that

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Legal people
told him that

i know employment law arista, you obviously don't.

Anyway, provided they offer a severance package that equals or exceeds that specified by UK EMPLOYMENT LAW it is all irrelevant

[arista]

Times have changed



The National Min Wage
does not apply
in international routes, around $3 an hour

Karl Turner Labour MP Live on GMBHD itv

[arista]

[P&O Ferries is run by a Dubai-based firm
which is owned by the country's controversial
ruling family.
Pictured: DP World CEO Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem]



[Sulayem seen with Prince William
and former Foreign Secretary William Hague
at an Earthshot Prize event at
Dubai's Expo2020 earlier this year]

[Vanessa]

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better

I think you'll find that's project fear, Vanessa.

[MTVN]

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

[arista]

"she believes the firm's employees"


But it is wrong
$3 a hour out at Sea

Does she know about that

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

she believes the firm's employees


But it is wrong
$3 a hour out at Sea

Does she know about that

arista, you obviously don't know uk employment law, so stop with the misinformation when you dont know what you are talking about

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

arista, you obviously don't know uk employment law, so stop with the misinformation when you dont know what you are talking about

That came from Labour MP Karl Turner

Not me,


He is not on about UK law
he's talking about International Waters

Stop being silly

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

That came from Labour MP Karl Turner

Not me,

but you are repeating stuff without knowing if what they are saying is accurate, and thats wrong

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but you are repeating stuff without knowing if what they are saying is accurate, and thats wrong

He is a MP who was a sea Minister



I trust this MP
more than you

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Apparently it's only British workers who have been sacked. The EU ones have not, because they're protected by EU laws. So much for Brexit making things better

even when we were in the EU, we had different employment laws to other countries in europe. So, brexit didnt change that

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

even when we were in the EU, we had different employment laws to other countries in europe. So, brexit didnt change that

The new financial reality of importing and exporting to the UK and brexit red tape may well have caused it. There's a reason that French and Dutch workers remain employed.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

I think it's definitely illegal and they can be sued

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I think it's definitely illegal and they can be sued

much of it is procedural, so that will get a slap on the wrist and nothing more. If P&O offer the statutory minimum or better severance package they have complied, people won't get their jobs back under any circumstances

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Holly Cudbill, an employment lawyer from Blake Morgan, said that P&O Ferries' actions "were almost certainly illegal".

Although its boats sail around the world, she believes the firm's employees are covered by UK law.

In that instance, P&O Ferries should have consulted with unions and staff about potential dismissals and notified the government that hundreds of jobs were at risk, she told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60789612

As I understand it this is the case. If a multinational company employs someone, that contract is covered by the employment law of the country that person pays income tax in. UK employees will be covered by UK employment law... I think most likely there has been a large breach here.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As I understand it this is the case. If a multinational company employs someone, that contract is covered by the employment law of the country that person pays income tax in. UK employees will be covered by UK employment law... I think most likely there has been a large breach here.

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

True there are always loopholes. My lovely previous employer had a blanket policy of taking disciplinary action against staff who attempted to unionise or join an existing union - which is totally illegal, but in the 10 years I worked there that policy never changed.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that is correct, but the things they appear not to have complied with ... consultation with unions, and letting the government know they were dumping that number of staff have been breached loads of times previously with no consequence, so i don't see it being different this time

They have allowed companies to fire and rehire, like BG and BA but I believe they rehired the same people but on less lucrative contracts, not saying that is any better but this is a mile away from that where people have just been made redundant where ordinarily they would have been offered alternative jobs if they were available within the company

Also are all the Officers EU staff then as they have been kept on? that is a general question not just to you BOTs

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They have allowed companies to fire and rehire, like BG and BA but I believe they rehired the same people but on less lucrative contracts, not saying that is any better but this is a mile away from that where people have just been made redundant where ordinarily they would have been offered alternative jobs if they were available within the company

Also are all the Officers EU staff then as they have been kept on? that is a general question not just to you BOTs

in my day, you didn't make people redundant, you made the role redundant. If a company rehired someone to the same role (within 6 months?) then that was illegal. That must have changed