[Redway]

I think I’m just middle-of-the-road when it comes to this whole discussion. On the one hand there’s no way I think under-18s (personally I’d say under-21s) are developed enough to be deemed capable of going through with sexual reassignment (although I wouldn’t have referred to the wanting to in kids and adolescents in such a dismissive/‘it’s just a phase, kids’ way) but at the same time I just don’t get why people seem so adamant to either invariably pathologise transgendered folk experiences or deny that transphobic assaults do happen. I can see where most sides of these arguments come from (and they’re absolutely valid in so many other ways) but if homophobic and even racial assaults occur then so do transphobic ones and there’s evidence to prove that. The fact that a lot of homophobia and racism happens online/on Twitter doesn’t mean face-to-face physical abuse doesn’t happen and it’s a similar case with trans. folk.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.

When did I deny physical hate crimes happen?? Please tell me .

The fact that you don't see how damaging that perverted prosthetic breasted bloke is to the trans community ,is actually mind boggling. He found a loophole and took advantage which is extremely worrying,because he put the 'trans' label on himself. Which is what we've been saying is happening,which by the way is another reason 'anti trans ' movement has gone up . Because weirdos like that are trying to ruin the trans & LGBT community all round.

I don't care what BS excuse he was using for his hideous behaviour ,he knew full well that gormless Canada would go along with his antics . He made the children feel uncomfortable and it was very innapropriate . Plus he was mocking women.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

When did I deny physical hate crimes happen?? Please tell me .

The fact that you don't see how damaging that perverted prosthetic breasted bloke is to the trans community ,is actually mind boggling. He found a loophole and took advantage which is extremely worrying,because he put the 'trans' label on himself. Which is what we've been saying is happening,which by the way is another reason 'anti trans ' movement has gone up . Because weirdos like that are trying to ruin the trans & LGBT community all round.

I don't care what BS excuse he was using for his hideous behaviour ,he knew full well that gormless Canada would go along with his antics . He made the children feel uncomfortable and it was very innapropriate . Plus he was mocking women.

Exactly, spot on Goldheart. And there are plenty of trans people who see this too, just have a look on youtube

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

https://youtu.be/OdtlBnYGM9E

Anyway, the fact is that transsexualism is no-longer classified as a mental disorder. Whatever your personal opinions are behind how-linked it is with gender-dysphoria and whether or not it should still be classed as a disorder are your messed-up opinions, not facts.

Some will be, some wont..no matter what this pathetic video clip says.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I mean, when the media is pretty much controlled by right wing conservatives you’re pretty much certain to not see reports of trans people being attacked splashed on the covers are you? There was however a story earlier this year about a trans guy who was put in hospital in Dublin I think, after him and his friends were attacked at a pride event, the denial of violence against trans people is disturbing tbh but not at surprising, might be a case of blissful ignorance I think

What proof is there that they were attacked for being trans?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Rise in hate crime reporting: 'Verbal and physical abuse happens daily' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-63170188

Transgender hate crimes recorded by police go up 81% https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48756370

At least try and find relevant links that might prove a point.

Are 3 year old statistics relevent to now?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Are 3 year old statistics relevent to now?

Hate crime has always existed and hasn’t just stopped occurring 3 years later. What is your point?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Hate crime has always existed and hasn’t just stopped occurring 3 years later. What is your point?

My points are, it may be dropping, and you have used 3 year old statistics trying to be relevant whilst digging at someone for posting non relevant links.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

My points are, it may be dropping, and you have used 3 year old statistics trying to be relevant whilst digging at someone for posting non relevant links.

I’m saying nothing other than the fact that hate-crime is obviously a real phenomenon and that it applies to all sorts of marginalised groups, in 2019 (and well-before) and now. I don’t know what’s to gain by denying it or pretending it doesn’t exist.

[Beso]

Infact, I could probably easily say it's dropped by 30 percent,at least,since those statistics.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Unfortunately there's alot of damaging stuff out there that gets a platform ,which seems to be making the community look bad.

idiots with huge prosthetic knockers calling themselves "trans" . When really it's some freak living out his fetish in Canada in a school of all places .

Or angry activists doxxing JK Rowling's address ,and sending her hate . It's not helping anything.

Oh I know that side of the Trans community exists, and really aren't helping the community be accepted.

Especially the Teacher with the huge Breasts and sexualized outfits.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Infact, I could probably easily say it's dropped by 30 percent,at least,since those statistics.

Any evidence of that?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And in the real world, violent hate crimes against trans people have skyrocketed over the past couple of years, not just mean words on Twitter, actual physical violence purely because of who they are, people like you seem to not acknowledge the serious knock on effect the rise of the anti-trans movement has had on real life trans people just trying to live their lives.

And the idiot with the prosthetic turned out to have nothing to do with being trans, he was a disgruntled man making a point about the different standards between discipline for men and women, but shock horror, the anti-trans folk jumped on it without a care in the world and used it for their own agenda.

Oh the person weren't Trans?

And on the violence against Trans people rising, that is obviously disgusting and hopefully something that the Government or the Police will try to fix.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

Any evidence of that?

Just my ability to put 2 and 2 together regarding covid and people being out and about.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Just my ability to put 2 and 2 together regarding covid and people being out and about.

But would that actually be indicative of a change in attitude?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Redway

But would that actually be indicative of a change in attitude?

Probably not, but with nobody posting the last 2 years statistics we will all just have to guess on that one until they do.So I cant say for sure.What I can say for sure though, is that the percentages will have plummetted since 2019.

[Redway]

Spoiler:

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...QQvGsfPinsaAA-

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...wYcqkC3WstX_Y-

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...V3U0tot0CD1Jk-

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...M0s6cVBzih7Mc-

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrF...IPBsKL_UEs4NE-

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrN...xvgjbCz8eB5hk-

Trans woman stabbed in horrific Birmingham attack, say police https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...ngham-58718183

[Beso]

I'm not really interested in america, nor its black on black crime.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I'm not really interested in america, nor its black on black crime.

That says it all.

[Redway]

This, btws, is the full article: https://www.england.nhs.uk/wp-conten...ng-people-.pdf

[Niamh.]

https://thepostmillennial.com/8000-m...tinue-to-surge

[Nicky91]

it's not just going through a phase though


example a: Bruce Jenner: successful olympic athlete, whom it never felt right to living as a man, who is much happier now living as Caitlyn



or remember the one german singer who is internationally well known (for her music) Kim Petras (yup she too is trans, has been since she was 4 or 5 can't remember correctly but from a very very young age anyway)



even one ends up winning the eurovision song contest, in the 90's for Israel, Dana International (and quite a gorgeous hot woman she is too, i myself as a straight guy, i have a crush at her)

[bots]

can't say i've ever fancied any women with a full blown beard

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it's not just going through a phase though


example a: Bruce Jenner: successful olympic athlete, whom it never felt right to living as a man, who is much happier now living as Caitlyn



or remember the one german singer who is internationally well known (for her music) Kim Petras (yup she too is trans, has been since she was 4 or 5 can't remember correctly but from a very very young age anyway)



even one ends up winning the eurovision song contest, in the 90's for Israel, Dana International (and quite a gorgeous hot woman she is too, i myself as a straight guy, i have a crush at her)

Maybe read the article through Nicky. Obviously, some people are genuinely dysphoric.

[Redway]

Nicky: yeah, no.