[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

That's correct, but it works both ways. In this thread for example, was the old white woman racist, or just clumsy? Up for debate, right? Yet so many on here will scream "racist" if you don't agree with them that this case in particular is 100% racist no questions asked. Well, no, we should ask questions. People are too quick to judge to suit their own narrative, both "sides" are guilty of this!

I'm not quite sure both ways is a fair representation, when it goes:

None of you know what it's like to feel racially abused

Versus

Leave you balding semen stain

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not quite sure both ways is a fair representation, when it goes:

None of you know what it's like to feel racially abused

Versus

Leave you balding semen stain

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Swan

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

You don't need to be openly shouting slurs and looking to cause offense to be racist. It's a mentality and she let it slip out.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

You don't need to be openly shouting slurs and looking to cause offense to be racist. It's a mentality and she let it slip out.

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.

The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

How long is a long time?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured'

and people of colour is ok?



you just cant make it up

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?



you just cant make it up

This comment alone shows the lack of progress. I have personally explained this on a number of occasions.

The word 'coloured' is a word that was used under Apartheid and Jim Crow to seperate people of colour. Sections were separated into 'whites' and 'non-whites' or 'whites' and 'coloureds' Thus, is frowned upon. I need say no more than that. Whether you like it or not, thats it. Look thru my many times explaining this.

Shame cuz ten years ago this debate was actually a debate.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?



you just cant make it up

Where did I say POC is ok?? , I said people use that as a more general term & the context is different. I don't use that term personally.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?



you just cant make it up

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Swan

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

well said swan

expose them

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Swan

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

People can’t even grasp the fact that one of them was fully miked up to record what was being said at that gathering

Why would that be

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Swan

But you can agree it's open for debate? I don't think the old woman was intentionally racist, i don't think a real racist would be that clumsy, not in a public forum as it were. But there are people on here who think just because you don't think the white woman was racially abusing the black woman that you yourself are racist, it's crap.

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

" As Dave (the rapper) said"

yes folks this is the depths...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" As Dave (the rapper) said"

yes folks this is the depths...

Are you the same guy that posts all his opinions through the medium of farage and Peterson videos? Might need to sit this one out

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

I understand what you're saying. I guess the problem is, is there always has to be sides. Im not either side in this case. Yes, both these women have their side of the story, but i honestly think it'll be better if they just came together in private and talked it out. So there could be some understanding. I do certainly agree that a wealthy 83 year upper class white woman has lived a different life to us regulars on the front line. Im sure she feels a superiority to most people, no matter race. But it's just an opinion, i have no idea what either women are really like. Like i said, i feel she was just clumsy. That doesn't mean i care, doesn't mean i feel sorry for her. You know my stance on class, and royals. I feel more for the little old dears who have done right all their lives, been good people, and now can't afford to heat their homes. This woman doesn't know hardship, not in the general sense...

Assumption is the "guilty" party here. But that can, and should be explored. If, you see a black woman, wearing her African gear, a high up in a charity for African woman, and with her name, it's not wrongto assume she's African herself. Her Grandparents were most likely born in Africa, i apologise if im wrong about that!

I don't think it's racist to assume, in most cases anyway. It's kinda like, if you see a white Chav from Landan dressed in his trackies and Burberry hat, and you ask him where he's from, and he says "im from Uganda mate innit" you'd be like "hmm ok, but where are your parents/grandparents originally from" would you be deemed racist?

I think, this white woman pushed too much, not because of race, but because of class superiority. More of a "i asked you a question and you will answer me" situation. I bet, had a rich Arab been there, this white woman wouldn't of quizzed them in any form, or a wealthy black African at that.

To conclude, im not gonna scream racism in this case, it was probably more to do with class and social standing, in which this white woman felt the charity worker woman was beneath her.

[The Slim Reaper]

For the people at the back

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely I can agree. I'm not sure this incident was purposefully racist. I do think however, that it was a racist conversation. As Dave (the rapper) said "it is racist, whether or not it feels racist."

I think she is of an age, and from an era and class that would put her squarely in the white supremacy mix. That doesn't mean she had a skinhead and was marching with neo nazi's. It just means that it was accepted and normal in her circles so likely to permeate subconsciously.

I'm sure not one cracker in these threads would feel happy with any stranger at a party coming up to them, messing with their hair, and repeating the same things over and over at them, in a slightly different way each time, and that's without the life experiences of the complainant thrown in. Most black people in their 30's/40's will tell you they were racially abused as children at some point. So many complicated issues at play.

I don't think 2 sides are the same here, because one side is telling a potential victim how they should act when being racially abused, how she has an agenda, what constitutes an interrogation eyc, and the other side is simply saying this is a bit nuts, none of you know what it's like.

I'll also make one final point to you, as I know we've discussed it before. Lady Haha has been allowed to drift off back to her life without any issues, no one has tried to track her down or gone for her, she resigned and has peace.

The same free speech warriors, anti-woke cancel culturists, have done nothing but attack the victim for 2 days straight. farage and Wooton doing shows about her, Galahads on twitter trying to track down her tax information etc. That's cancel culture, not a couple of dweebs on twitter threatening to stop eating at Gordon Ramsey's restaurant if he has foie gras on the menu.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For the people at the back

David Lammey did a whole show on her today, JOB did too. In fact if you listened to News Radio you will find the vast majority did as did all TV news outlets and Newspaper media

So your points that you are so fond of are nonsense

Of course, Nigel and Dan will cover is a big new story. And i am quite sure your hard left twitter feed was awash with faux outrage too

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

David Lammey did a whole show on her today, JOB did too. In fact if you listened to News Radio you will find the vast majority did as did all TV news outlets and Newspaper media

So your points that you are so fond of are nonsense

Of course, Nigel and Dan will cover is a big new story. And i am quite sure your hard left twitter feed was awash with faux outrage too

Read the bit in bold, then read the post directly above it

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

For the people at the back

Ms Headley stepped into the spotlight and made a dubious claim, no-one forced her to get a lady to resign for asking her a question.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Ms Headley stepped into the spotlight and made a dubious claim, no-one forced her to get a lady to resign for asking her a question.

can you imagine what she is like in person?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you imagine what she is like in person?

I don't really care tbh, how nice she is or isn't is unlikely to touch my life I will say she has Karen vibes though.