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Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

You’ll have to go for a pint in Liverpool during Euro.-2023, parm. There’s no city quite like Liverpool when it comes to Eurovision celebrations and booze to go with it.

Oh yes, I must.

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan.

You don't need to be openly shouting slurs and looking to cause offense to be racist. It's a mentality and she let it slip out.

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.

Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured' ,even Vine himself had to correct them by saying they don't use that term .

I could tell the caller didn't think it was wrong what they said,so yeah it isn't always from a place of hate ...but clearly ignorance especially the older generation.

The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-12-2022, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is also true ,some people still use the word ' coloured' aswell ..which I find cringe ...and they need to be educated. Even on Jeremy Vine a caller used the word 'coloured'

and people of colour is ok?

you just cant make it up

Redway · 02-12-2022, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Swan

Exactly, so why do so many kick up a fuss when others see a different side to the story? Not just this one either.

If they don't agree they just dismiss you as some sort of phobe or racist. It's a terrible mentality. Listen to others, accept difference in an opinion. But it's people like those mentioned who just can't accept anything different than what they believe. As soon as you go against their opinion you are insulted and accused of being racist. It's such bollocks. Most people in this multi cultured country aren't racist at all. They just get on with it.

But it does beg the question, why does this crap, and it is crap, get so much attention when young black kids are stabbed to death daily in London?!

As far as that goes (ignoring that last sentence, because stabbings down-south aren’t really associated with any ethnicity, just like U.S. shootings; there’s often some sort of provocation behind the evenings but sometimes it just happens to whatever unfortunate kid’s hanging around), you might have a point. A lot of blank people are quick to tar white people with a brush that makes them sound a lot more overall racist than they are, true, and little room for disagreement’s granted when someone just wants to play the race-card and paint all white people as raggedy, pale trash but six times out of ten there’s underlying trauma at work there so when it comes to things like this I just try and hear people out seriously and let them tell their story instead of invalidating or gaslighting them further. People who bang on about the supposed micro-aggressions around them when the white people are literally just trying to get on with it do kind of get on my nerves (not that I can’t understand how they feel) but on this thread whenever there’s been a one-sided response it’s been more in favour of the old lady and how it’s ‘not okay,’ even to the point of being ageist, to paint her as racist. But given what we’ve seen and heard from NGOZI (who said several times that she did more-than account for the generation the older woman was from) I’d say there’s less room for questioning whether or not she was victim to racism than to support and believe in her. She’s not exactly wanting in third-party verification either.

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

The older generation wernt allowed to use the word black back in my day..

It's like being told diesels the best thing to be then told no, it's not.

It can be very confusing.

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Actually for a long time they've been told it's perfectly fine to say black, nobody in 2022 should be calling a black person 'coloured' ... it's patronising and they're not a crayon .

I know some people still use the term 'poc' .... but it's about context ,and I guess they also use that to describe a non white person in general.

How long is a long time?

GiRTh · 02-12-2022, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?

you just cant make it up

This comment alone shows the lack of progress. I have personally explained this on a number of occasions.

The word 'coloured' is a word that was used under Apartheid and Jim Crow to seperate people of colour. Sections were separated into 'whites' and 'non-whites' or 'whites' and 'coloureds' Thus, is frowned upon. I need say no more than that. Whether you like it or not, thats it. Look thru my many times explaining this.

Shame cuz ten years ago this debate was actually a debate.

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?

you just cant make it up

Where did I say POC is ok??

, I said people use that as a more general term & the context is different. I don't use that term personally.

Redway · 02-12-2022, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and people of colour is ok?

you just cant make it up

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:20 PM

"it's patronising and they're not a crayon"

Gold heart

That's rather patronising in itself...

The way you are calling black people they....when you said they're..thats blind racism imo.something this old woman is being accused 9ff.

Crimson Dynamo · 02-12-2022, 07:22 PM

cant say BAME now it seems

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...term-BAME.html

absolute farce

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

cant say BAME now it seems

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...term-BAME.html

absolute farce

There's nothing wrong with BAME , people are just being silly.

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion

it's patronising and they're not a crayon

Rather patronising in itself...

The way you are calling black people they....when you said they're..thats blind racism imo.something this old woman is being accused 9ff.

Yeah sure

Redway · 02-12-2022, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

cant say BAME now it seems

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...term-BAME.html

absolute farce

Considering the world originated in Africa and the most-populous countries in the world are conspicuously non-white (I mean, duh; it’s not like Europeans actually own the world or anything), I agree with that. “Ethnic minority” sounds incredibly patronising.

Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah sure

It is..
discussing blacks with a bunch of white folks, and you are using they them they're.

GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Redway

Yes. This is how it’s been since the ’80s (likewise for half-caste vs. mixed-race). Most people who say “coloured” have good intentions but for anyone who still uses that term it’s a habit for them to get out of, really.

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

Beso · 02-12-2022, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

What's the new word for half cast?

Zizu · 02-12-2022, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

That phrase was commonly used when I was a youngster ..

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GoldHeart · 02-12-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

That phrase was commonly used when I was a youngster ..

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Yeah when I was a kid I heard some people say it , it's still a daft word to describe someone's race . Even if it isn't meant in a 'offensive' way .

GiRTh · 02-12-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

cant say BAME now it seems

Council ditches the term 'BAME' and will start using the phrase 'global majority' to refer to
black and Asian people as part of drive to be more 'inclusive and diverse'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...term-BAME.html

absolute farce

I fail to see why anyone would care but look 2 thousand comments.

Redway · 02-12-2022, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

'half cast' is another awful one , you can really tell the old generations stuck in their ways.... if they still use that outdated term.

I’ve heard a lot of young people (and black people, even) innocently say half-caste as well and to me that one just is what it is. I get that there’s a history associated with it but to me it just sounds like a dated term. I wouldn’t have a heart attack over it.

On a similar token you do get black people sometimes refer to Asian-owned Afro-Asian stores in the U.K. as ‘paki shop/s’ and again to me that one just is. It’s literally short-hand for Pakistan and left to me I wouldn’t say it always has to be associated with negative tidings. British-Asians don’t have anything like the same historical association with racial abuse as black people so I wouldn’t bother going against someone’s defence for using that term innocently. Especially when it’s also even people of colour who use it.