[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

to outright, unquestionably, extremely dodgy (the naked men in thongs barely concealing their ballsacks doing the splits in the air).

I thought they "were learning tolerance"

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

We have to be very very careful that movements like this aren't used for nefarious reasons, it has happened in the past but people have either forgotten that or aren't aware. ***Disclaimer, I am BY NO MEANS suggesting that gay men are paedophiles, I'm saying that paedophiles will absolutely jump on the back of any movement they think will get them closer to normalising child exploitation and abuse. I didn't make up this story below, it actually happened. The LGBT movement should be more angry than anyone else.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378

And this is happening again , the fact that parents/ mother's think it's ok to take their little kids to these drag shows .

[user104658]

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum, I had a long, interesting and utterly ****ing disturbing exchange with a "minor-attracted-persons-advocate" who was disappointed about disallowed access to a forum full of young new mums. This would be 12+ years ago now. He was educated and articulate and trying to mount very real arguments for why it was fine, and why they were a victimised and marginalised group. I was of course only humouring the conversation to actually try to understand what the **** he was about - he ended up blocked, banned, IP banned and I sent the whole conversation to his ISP as well though I doubt they were interested.

It led to us thoroughly vetting "unknown" people before they were even allowed to join. I'd say, a very dangerous individual with very twisted thinking, and 100% disingenuously using the language of oppression not only as a shield but as a battering ram.

They are absolutely out there.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum, I had a long, interesting and utterly ****ing disturbing exchange with a "minor-attracted-persons-advocate" who was disappointed about disallowed access to a forum full of young new mums. This would be 12+ years ago now. He was educated and articulate and trying to mount very real arguments for why it was fine, and why they were a victimised and marginalised group. I was of course only humouring the conversation to actually try to understand what the **** he was about - he ended up blocked, banned, IP banned and I sent the whole conversation to his ISP as well though I doubt they were interested.

It led to us thoroughly vetting "unknown" people before they were even allowed to join. I'd say, a very dangerous individual with very twisted thinking, and 100% disingenuously using the language of oppression not only as a shield but as a battering ram.

They are absolutely out there.

There's no way I could entertain a sicko like that , they will never think what they're doing is wrong.

The problem aswell is how they're trying to attach themselves to movements, obviously paedophilia & perverts have always been around ...and I wish the same outrage was there for teachers grooming students, or girls from all over the world forced into child marriage etc . Those things barely get talked about now.

Think how many boys have grown up casually saying their mother's friend, or neighbour seduced them when they were a minor !? Like wtf . But their abusers/ groomers never joined a 'movement', but they were still sneaky and manipulative. Most of them get away with it aswell.

[Tom4784]

Those videos made the rounds a few days ago, they are deepfaked. You all are falling for it pretty easily.

Right wing losers making fake videos to get mad over because their grievances have no basis in reality. It's simply what the right wing is these days, too much brain rot.

[Tom4784]

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

Which specific ones were deepfaked?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Always look at the lighting in videos pushed by right wing extremists, deepfakes can be convincing, but the difference in lighting is always the giveaway.

https://www.garbageday.email/p/deepf...d-as-you-think

"But, if you’re desperate for proof that this is real and not a deepfake, you can clearly see in the next shot that the floor, the mats, and the placement of the crowd all match other photos and videos of the event. And I don’t want to get all American Vandal on you, but you can even match up the walls. Also, there are additional photos and videos of the tagged performers being at this venue. And, once again, the event organizers have literally released a statement. And I’d have to assume that if they were the target of an elaborate AI-powered hoax, that would come up at some point. Also, if you were a right-wing maniac making a deepfake of a drag performance, why would you go out of your way to splice different footage of a performer who was at the actual event to make them look worse?"

[Crimson Dynamo]

someone has been on the kool-aid

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Those videos made the rounds a few days ago, they are deepfaked. You all are falling for it pretty easily.

Right wing losers making fake videos to get mad over because their grievances have no basis in reality. It's simply what the right wing is these days, too much brain rot.

Deepfake ??? Really evidence please? .

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

https://www.garbageday.email/p/deepf...d-as-you-think

"But, if you’re desperate for proof that this is real and not a deepfake, you can clearly see in the next shot that the floor, the mats, and the placement of the crowd all match other photos and videos of the event. And I don’t want to get all American Vandal on you, but you can even match up the walls. Also, there are additional photos and videos of the tagged performers being at this venue. And, once again, the event organizers have literally released a statement. And I’d have to assume that if they were the target of an elaborate AI-powered hoax, that would come up at some point. Also, if you were a right-wing maniac making a deepfake of a drag performance, why would you go out of your way to splice different footage of a performer who was at the actual event to make them look worse?"

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Back in a previous life when I ran a forum,

Your posting style etc has always reminded me of someone who used to (co-)run a forum of which I was a member ... was your screenname at one point... an Egyptian god?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

I think that's already been mentioned in the thread somewhere and certainly the question on why the mothers would bring their children to it was asked, I don't however think that takes any blame off the performers for going ahead with the show when they saw there were children there.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

So the event wasn't for children and was literally advertised as a break from children for parents, and the right wing are making out that the opposite is true to prove a false point?

What I said still stands, right wing extremists inventing **** to be mad about.

But it wasn't a deepfake

[Beso]

Still people try and defend the indefensible. Pretty sad amd worrying tbh.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

someone has been on the kool-aid

Says the guy that literally swallows any and all right wing propaganda without question as long as it tells him what he wants to hear. Your jibes are nothing but projection.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think that's already been mentioned in the thread somewhere and certainly the question on why the mothers would bring their children to it was asked, I don't however think that takes any blame off the performers for going ahead with the show when they saw there were children there.

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

But it wasn't a deepfake

It's still manufactured and misleading outrage for gullible fools to get mad about.

[Cherie]

Can you show how the show was advertised, that would help your claim somewhat

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

I would expect the organisers of the event/security to not admit minors if the event was 18+ absolutely.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

It's still manufactured and misleading outrage for gullible fools to get mad about.

What you said was also misleading by calling it "deepfake" .

And plenty have already said ,the mothers should never have taken their children to this event. It was obviously a adult performance .

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What you said was also misleading by calling it "deepfake" .

And plenty have already said ,the mothers should never have taken their children to this event. It was obviously a adult performance .

Irrelevant, the right wing are still being misleading by acting like this was an event for kids. You're splitting hairs trying to find something to cling to.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Can you show how the show was advertised, that would help your claim somewhat

Literally in the article Niamh posted, do keep up.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

If a band gets paid to play an event, and the audience is different to what they expected, should they give up their time and fee to not perform? No, it's the fault of the organisers for allowing children in, and the fault of the parents for bringing the kids with them.

A band is different performing for hundreds of people , is not really the same comparison is it . Plenty of underage kids use to sneak out to go to gigs . It is still wrong ,but how many of the musicians will know unless they meet & greet them individually?.

This drag performance was in a smaller intimate setting in a
room , the performers are right up close in the faces of the parents & children. Once the performers knew children were there ....they should have stopped the performance or changed to make it more child friendly.

I know some drag Queens will swear their acts are "for adults", but someone from Rupaul's drag race admitted that even though he knows his shows are for adults he still wouldn't kick a kid out who's not meant to be there ,so they're not exactly helping themselves are they .

[GoldHeart]

Only thing I'm clinging to are facts Tom

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Tom4784

Irrelevant, the right wing are still being misleading by acting like this was an event for kids. You're splitting hairs trying to find something to cling to.



Literally in the article Niamh posted, do keep up.

Nope just a rebuttal to your claim it was a fake video, I can't see any advertisment for the event itself?