[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure, he Banged her Head
on the wall in the Cubicle
back then, a monster.


But at this time
he is above double numbers
of Old Biden.

Even CNN HD
are saying he is way ahead.

So you describe him as a monster then.
He's been found to be a sexual abuser.

However now he should have that overlooked and be supported.

Sexual abusers are sexual abusers arista.
They've no place in any decent society and certainly not in having any power over others.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So you describe him as a monster then.
He's been found to be a sexual abuser.

However now he should have that overlooked and be supported.

Sexual abusers are sexual abusers arista.
They've no place in any decent society and certainly not in having any power over others.

Sure, it could stop him winning the next USA Election
But Old Biden is not liked

Trump when he was young was a monster.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

Trump when he was young was a monster.

If he hasn't acknowledged and taken accountability for that then he still is. I'm not of the opinion that "people never change" - I'm skeptical that Trump has changed, mind you - but people who HAVE changed owe it to people they wronged in the past to admit and apologise for their wrongdoing before they can really be accepted as "a changed person".

[Liam-]

This happened in the 90’s, trump is currently close to 80, he wasn’t young when he sexually assaulted her

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

If he hasn't acknowledged and taken accountability for that then he still is. I'm not of the opinion that "people never change" - I'm skeptical that Trump has changed, mind you - but people who HAVE changed owe it to people they wronged in the past to admit and apologise for their wrongdoing before they can really be accepted as "a changed person".

No
not the same.

A Monster as President
can be normal for the USA, of course
Just look back at President Nixon


[In February 1971, a sound-activated taping
system was installed in the Oval Office,
including in Nixon's Wilson desk,
using Sony TC-800B open-reel tape recorders
to capture audio transmitted by
telephone taps and concealed microphones.]

[Liam-]

You’re really going all out to defend Trump huh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

No
not the same.

Just because he isn't actively doing the same things doesn't mean he doesn't still have the same thoughts and attitudes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You’re really going all out to defend Trump huh

I look at the state of Democrats
not liking Biden
but still no one challenging him.


America is Split.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Just because he isn't actively doing the same things doesn't mean he doesn't still have the same thoughts and attitudes.

Its possible,
but Trump has alot to do
in the event, he won the next USA Election.
Tuesday, 5 November 2024


Hillary Clinton ignored states
she created the split that is now going wild

[Oliver_W]

Does this affect his chances of rerunning for Prez? I know it's "only" a civil suit in which he was found guilty, so I don't think it can officially stop him, but the verdict might be a turn off for ... whoever decides who gets to run the Republican party members? Whatevs.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does this affect his chances of rerunning for Prez? I know it's "only" a civil suit in which he was found guilty, so I don't think it can officially stop him, but the verdict might be a turn off for ... whoever decides who gets to run the Republican party members? Whatevs.

Trump die-hards will make all the excuses under the sun for him and disregard it entirely (as we've seen) but it might be offputting to other still free thinking Republicans who could have been convinced/swayed. It'll certainly have nudged some of those "on the fence" onto the other side of it.

[James]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Does this affect his chances of rerunning for Prez? I know it's "only" a civil suit in which he was found guilty, so I don't think it can officially stop him, but the verdict might be a turn off for ... whoever decides who gets to run the Republican party members? Whatevs.

You'd think there would be a big silent-majority in middle America that would be put off Trump by all this sleaze.

Trouble is most Americans think Biden is too old to run again, so they are not going to get much of a choice.

[user104658]

Biden is a whole other problem, it's just that the "but Biden" argument doesn't negate Trump. American politics isn't, or SHOULDN'T be, "Biden vs Trump" ... but it seems that's where we may be headed again.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Biden is a whole other problem, it's just that the "but Biden" argument doesn't negate Trump. American politics isn't, or SHOULDN'T be, "Biden vs Trump" ... but it seems that's where we may be headed again.

People need to realise it's not a one or the other .... atleast not for me anyway.

I support NIETHER! .

But anyone still defending Trump after this is laughable really .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I guess De Santis is like "im going to just wait this sh1tshow out and take my shot in 4 years"

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I guess De Santis is like "im going to just wait this sh1tshow out and take my shot in 4 years"

Momentum is everything, the world could be a completely different place in 4 years. It's a mistake to wait if he stands a reasonable chance now

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

People need to realise it's not a one or the other .... atleast not for me anyway.

I support NIETHER! .

But anyone still defending Trump after this is laughable really .

You could say the same about johnny depp after he was found guilty, tbh.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You could say the same about johnny depp after he was found guilty, tbh.

The Heard V Depp thing is completely different ... unless you think Trump's victim was also a lying, abusive shrew?

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Biden is a whole other problem, it's just that the "but Biden" argument doesn't negate Trump. American politics isn't, or SHOULDN'T be, "Biden vs Trump" ... but it seems that's where we may be headed again.

To be fair Biden won almost entirely because his alternate name was Not Trump. I'm obviously not saying Biden's (/family's/) actions minimise Trump's, but if he was carried by not being him, it adds some fairness to comparisons.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Heard V Depp thing is completely different ... unless you think Trump's victim was also a lying, abusive shrew?

Depp vs Heard was completely different because it was a libel case that, in the end, basically hinged on an NDI they had both signed ... Depp sought reparations from Heard for libel/reputational damage, it was not (as some people imagine or misremember) a trial about Depp's abuse.

You're right enough about the claimant (Johnny Depp) being a lying abusive shrew though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair Biden won almost entirely because his alternate name was Not Trump. I'm obviously not saying Biden's (/family's/) actions minimise Trump's, but if he was carried by not being him, it adds some fairness to comparisons.

The issue with Biden now is entirely Biden's own presentation, nothing to do with his family... all of that is a bit of a red herring. I also would bet my bottom dollar that the people bleating on about Hunter Biden had no issue with Mark Thatcher and his dodgy arms deals . Maggie remains Queen Tory.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You could say the same about johnny depp after he was found guilty, tbh.

I don't know why you continue to grind that axe over and over . There must be no pavements left where you live .

That's like if I decided to bring MJ up every chance I got .....as you digged your heels firmly in thinking he was 'guilty' , despite evidence against that. Funny how I'm in the 'wrong' to call Amber Heard a liar ? Hmm ok .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I don't know why you continue to grind that axe over and over . There must be no pavements left where you live .

That's like if I decided to bring MJ up every chance I got .....as you digged your heels firmly in thinking he was 'guilty' , despite evidence against that. Funny how I'm in the 'wrong' to call Amber Heard a liar ? Hmm ok .

You're not in the wrong calling amber heard a liar, but you did sit in the same boat as these trump supporters when johnny depp was on trial, considering a UK court had agreed he was infact a wife beater

Both these events, trumps, and depps, is about crimes against women.

Yet only one set of supporters, in your eyes. Is worth ridicule.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You're not in the wrong calling amber heard a liar, but you did sit in the same boat as these trump supporters when johnny depp was on trial, considering a UK court had agreed he was infact a wife beater

Both these events, trumps, and depps, is about crimes against women.

Yet only one set of supporters, in your eyes. Is worth ridicule.

Amber Heard was proven to be physically violent towards Johnny Depp. It's interesting how you don't have a problem with her beating him or her previous ex's for that matter....as she had a history of that aswell as cheating & manipulation etc , whereas Depp ( yes had his serious issues) never laid a finger on his previous partners . But keep covering your eyes and ears .

Any congratulations on turning this thread into another Depp/ Heard debate ... despite them both having f all to do with Trump
There's literally no comparison .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Any congratulations on turning this thread into another Depp/ Heard debate

Yes, well done.