[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You could say the same about johnny depp after he was found guilty, tbh.

The Heard V Depp thing is completely different ... unless you think Trump's victim was also a lying, abusive shrew?

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Biden is a whole other problem, it's just that the "but Biden" argument doesn't negate Trump. American politics isn't, or SHOULDN'T be, "Biden vs Trump" ... but it seems that's where we may be headed again.

To be fair Biden won almost entirely because his alternate name was Not Trump. I'm obviously not saying Biden's (/family's/) actions minimise Trump's, but if he was carried by not being him, it adds some fairness to comparisons.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The Heard V Depp thing is completely different ... unless you think Trump's victim was also a lying, abusive shrew?

Depp vs Heard was completely different because it was a libel case that, in the end, basically hinged on an NDI they had both signed ... Depp sought reparations from Heard for libel/reputational damage, it was not (as some people imagine or misremember) a trial about Depp's abuse.

You're right enough about the claimant (Johnny Depp) being a lying abusive shrew though.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To be fair Biden won almost entirely because his alternate name was Not Trump. I'm obviously not saying Biden's (/family's/) actions minimise Trump's, but if he was carried by not being him, it adds some fairness to comparisons.

The issue with Biden now is entirely Biden's own presentation, nothing to do with his family... all of that is a bit of a red herring. I also would bet my bottom dollar that the people bleating on about Hunter Biden had no issue with Mark Thatcher and his dodgy arms deals . Maggie remains Queen Tory.