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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

ULEZ itself is not a vote winning/losing argument except in very local conditions so there is really no point in Starmer getting involved. The bigger argument is on how fast and hard we go down the green path and that could end up winning/losing an election

Oh I agree with all you say there.

The problem re Starmer with me is how little he'll even say what his view on some things are never mind what real policy he wants and/or intends as to some major issues.

I totally get from him nothing can be done by him and Labour or changed unless they win power.
I get that.
I get too, the situation he'll find himself in is full of far more uncertainties than for any new government likely before.
However, he must at least have a view on issues.
Yet I'm hearing more and more from those who do intend to vote Labour mainly to now get this shambles out of government.
Yet, they are more and more confused as to what Starmer really stands for or even what he himself believes in.

He may well deliver once in government.
I'd hope he does
His manifesto for the election after this one could possibly be a really strong and good one.
He just should still now share his real vision and hopes more so others can picture the likely benefits or lack of them for themselves.

Just relying on taking power because the Cons are now seen as a shambolic mess and unfit to govern presently .
Isn't really the best desirable base to build from.
ULEZ is one of many issues he just kind of sidesteps on.
That's not a positive at all.