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Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m disappointed with some of the responses to what Paul said. I think we sometimes get caught up in the thought of housemates being one-dimensional characters rather than real people, all of whom have good and bad points. Consequently, we can see no bad in those housemates we support and no good in those we don’t like. We subconsciously search for confirmation bias.

I don’t really like Paul - I have found him annoying, gross and immature from the edits we have seen - but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a story and some decent qualities, particularly if it turns out he has suffered from some mental health issues. And, although Jenkin can be a bit of a bitch and a moaner, in my view, there have been clear signs of depressive tendencies. He also had the integrity to vote Dylan over Trish because he didn’t approve of the way she was treated. He has been one of the few who has tried to calm things between housemates having vicious arguments- the voice of reason - and despite his friendship with Paul, he has been willing to pull him up on his behaviour.

Fair comment. You're right that housemates are not cartoons but are all people with their flaws and with their positive traits. I don't think Paul is evil or anything like that but he let himself down big time in there and will hopefully reflect on that

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

I think as well Paul looked visably emotional I thought when coming out. With things that have happened with other TV shows (love island suicides etc) the aftercare for everyone on these shows is crucial. If everyone was as nice as pie we wouldn't have a show. Sometimes the biggest housemates are the ones who are controversial.

I also noticed Matty and Paul hugged twice and Chanelle was in tears. Plus in the eviction show Dylan agreed about the mens mental health.

You're right about aftercare, I think that's why they have to be a bit delicate in the interviews now and be fair to the housemates rather than hauling them over the coals. Some allowance does have to be made for the pressures they're under in there as well

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In answer to the op I don't know about Jenkins struggles but he did mention he was on benefits so has possibly had some employment struggles

It might also be that Paul meant he'd had a tough time in the beginning of the show and misspoke a bit

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Great post Garfie, I dont really think its very healthy to turn HMs in villians as is happening with Paul, he obviously had decent qualities as well as not so decent ones, a narrative was driven by the edits..... I thought it was interesting that Matty seemed very upset that he was leaving yet we never once saw Paul with Matty apart from when Yinrun took him for a massage and it ended up with Matty doing it which was just odd as we didn't see what led to him taking over from Yinrun

Exactly. I noticed that too. The goodbyes suggested there were closer relationships with a number of housemates that hadn’t been apparent before. There was a very long, affectionate hug between Paul and Matty, and Matty was clearly upset in live feed, and he was chatting with the garden group about his feelings.

Add that to the fact that he chose Jenkin to win, over Olivia or Paul, and their goodbye as he left, this suggests that we have missed a lot of footage between the two of them.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I have

4 hours each night for 4 weeks ..

Have a look at the live feed thread

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I know you have watched all the live feeds, as I thanked you for posting your summaries, which I enjoyed reading.

Whilst not watching as many hours as you - and isn’t it 3 hours a night (11pm-2pm) - you have to admit that, although the live feed exists, there is a massive amount of the conversation that is covered by bird song, and some interactions we don’t see as the focus is on other housemates or other conversations, or covered up with images of an empty BB house.

That considerably reduces what we are able to see in the 3 hour slot. But even if the camera focused only on Paul for the duration of each live feed, there would still be over 20 hours of each day we wouldn’t have seen.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair comment. You're right that housemates are not cartoons but are all people with their flaws and with their positive traits. I don't think Paul is evil or anything like that but he let himself down big time in there and will hopefully reflect on that

Thank you, MTVN. And I absolutely agree that Paul let himself down. He didn’t come across as at all appealing to me, but that doesn’t prevent me from acknowledging that there is more to every housemate - and every person - than just their negative traits.

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Originally Posted by Garfie

Thank you, MTVN. And I absolutely agree that Paul let himself down. He didn’t come across as at all appealing to me, but that doesn’t prevent me from acknowledging that there is more to every housemate - and every person - than just their negative traits.

Garfie Paul was gross from day 1 , his idea of the BB experience was keeping everyone up all night.....as he steals alcohol & food .

Aswell as burping and farting .