[Oliver_W]

Tonight's episode was soool good

[bots]

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

Meh, the "wokeness" didn't detract from it. Most of RTD's original run might be called "woke", but it was still good.

People only seem to have a problem with wokeness when the product otherwise sucks, nostalgia goggles aside.

[Livia]

It was a bit woke, but I really liked it. Good to see David Tennant back, for a while at least.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

How was it woke

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Denver

How was it woke

There was a part where Doc asked for an aliens pronouns.
Another where Donna and her kid were able to let go of the Meta-Crisis Energy (the stuff which would have killed Donna if she remembered her time with the Doctor) just by ... letting it go? And they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

That'd be my guess. Neither bit really bothered me tbh. It was clearly tongue in cheek.

Though I'm sure there are plenty of online rants where psychos point out every little detail and tell us why we should be angry.

[Glenn.]

It was a good episode. Great to see David and Catherine back.

Howling at the bigots on Twitter as well. RTD sure does know how to twist them knickers.

[Josiah.]

I loved the episode. But only Donna could destroy the new TARDIS within 5 minutes by spilling coffee on the console.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Josiah.

I loved the episode. But only Donna could destroy the new TARDIS within 5 minutes by spilling coffee on the console.

Could see THAT coming as soon as Tenzie handed her the cup

I wonder if Tardis did it on purpose - she made Doc revert to that form, she took him to that time and place, and then she served coffee to the lady who got fired for spilling coffee onto a computer
I get the feeling she heard the "one last trip" and thought NOPE!

[Gusto Brunt]

I know I am in a minority here but I find it absolutely ridiculous when I see them bringing the old Dr Who actors back, some almost 80, a couple over 80, and they're still dressed in their Dr Who clothes from their 70s and 80s Dr Who stints.

We're lead to believe these old Doctors have been taken from the time they were in to 2023. But then they should still look the same. Not look like old men.

I think they should use CGI or Deep Fake in future. To avoid this



to this.


A doctor from his time would not age. It's so silly.

[Vanessa]

It's so good. I'm loving it. And to have David Tennant back!

[Oliver_W]

We've seen Doctors be "alive" for hundreds of years (the show doesn't move in real time) and they wear the same clothes, by and large.

That said, Matt Smith's Doctor completely changed his wardrobe after Amy and Rory left.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Denver

How was it woke

It had black, trans and disabled people

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose



Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

True to be fair, they're not so much talking about the experience of being female as the experience of being a Western human female. There's no real reason to assume that aliens who happen to look human have the same gender differences as humans. But then... ... ... it would of course be more accurate for them to say that The Doctor wouldn't understand because they're not human, rather than because they're not female.

[Strictly Jake]

I'm sorry, as much as I loved Catherine Tate and David Tennant's return, that story and those aliens were awful. I cringed throughout

[Strictly Jake]

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

I think she was Jason, but either way it's not good form to refer to transpeople by their deadname.

[bots]

nope, nothing woke about the show at all

[Oliver_W]

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It had black, trans and disabled people

Something that Doctor Who has done for years so clearly people have not watches it before

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Strictly Jake

I am interested to see if Liam's(was it Liam?) transition into Rose took inspiration from Rose Tyler, so I'm wondering when they get to be a real companion we might see them meeting Rose?

Rose won't be full time, they are only around for the specials

[Nicky91]

that 2nd special was FAB


those Doctor and Donna clones



once again great acting work from David and Catherine

[Nicky91]

if the 1st special was woke, wasn't bothered by it myself tbh


also La Margolyes was in top form as The Meep