[Denver]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was a bit woke, but better than recent offerings

How was it woke

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Denver

How was it woke

There was a part where Doc asked for an aliens pronouns.
Another where Donna and her kid were able to let go of the Meta-Crisis Energy (the stuff which would have killed Donna if she remembered her time with the Doctor) just by ... letting it go? And they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

That'd be my guess. Neither bit really bothered me tbh. It was clearly tongue in cheek.

Though I'm sure there are plenty of online rants where psychos point out every little detail and tell us why we should be angry.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

they said Doc wouldn't understand because he's male-presenting.

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair, with The Doctor now canonically being able to regenerate as either male or female, this could be seen as a much more literal turn of phrase.

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Though it does seem to overlook poor Jodie and the fact that he was very recently female for several decades (centuries?).

Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Truuuuueeee, though I'm not sure about how much of Doc's recent past the Meta-Crisis would inform Donna and Rose



Hmm, Doc unlearning or outright forgetting lessons learned isn't anything new tbh - even without regenerating Thirteen's personality wasn't informed or overly changed by being female, and Eleven+Twelve+Missy all have said something which suggests that gender (apparent sex of current incarnation) means a lot less to Time Lords than humans.
So Thirteen probably wouldn't have the womanly wisdom to pass on to Fourten in the first place. But if she DID, Fourten could easily have lost it!

True to be fair, they're not so much talking about the experience of being female as the experience of being a Western human female. There's no real reason to assume that aliens who happen to look human have the same gender differences as humans. But then... ... ... it would of course be more accurate for them to say that The Doctor wouldn't understand because they're not human, rather than because they're not female.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Denver

How was it woke

It had black, trans and disabled people

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It had black, trans and disabled people

Something that Doctor Who has done for years so clearly people have not watches it before