[user104658]

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.

Not something we learnt at school, but post WW2 18 million German speaking people were murdered across Eastern Europe.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

To be fair, an uncomfortable and oft-avoided simple truth is that Poland has always had massive problems with racism and anti-semitism. Maybe they're feeling emboldened and of course it's not nice to generalise. But yeah. My daughter knows a few kids (teens) from Polish families and, frankly, they're borderline white supremacists and it evidently comes from their parents. So I don't think this is new attitudes... but the emboldening is of course concerning.

They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

Does that include the Jews who were sent to the Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka?

I hate it that when an enemy invades a country, the residents are seen as weak if they don't stand up and fight.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by DemRed

Does that include the Jews who were sent to the Warsaw Ghetto and Treblinka?

I hate it that when an enemy invades a country, the residents are seen as weak if they don't stand up and fight.

Take it up with the young poles..That's who I got my info from.

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Take it up with the young poles..That's who I got my info from.

My father-in-law is Jewish and Polish and although he and his grandmother escaped the extermination of the Jews, his family didn't.
He was raised in the UK by his grandmother and he's always said that his grandmother told him that prior to WW2 Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.
In the UK however, as a small child, he was advised not to tell his school mates that he was Jewish as there would be repercussions.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by DemRed

My father-in-law is Jewish and Polish and although he and his grandmother escaped the extermination of the Jews, his family didn't.
He was raised in the UK by his grandmother and he's always said that his grandmother told him that prior to WW2 Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.
In the UK however, as a small child, he was advised not to tell his school mates that he was Jewish as there would be repercussions.

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

Didn't you say she was about to hot tail it out of here if Corbyn had won, to avoid the inevitable, and definitely not made up, Corbyn pogrom?

[DemRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whereas...my grandmother who survived the deathcamps, just, found nothing but acceptance in the UK and became a very proud Brit.

I'm glad she had a better experience because antisemitism was very virulent in Britain at that time. There were anti-Jewish riots in 1947 in a number of British cities.
Ernest Bevin, foreign secretary of Clement Attlee was regularly reported in papers like the Daily Mail for his vitriol against the Jews. He even started a conspiracy, that in some circles, lives to this day.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

They lean that way because they are ashamed at how easily their forefathers capitulated to the germans.

A good number of Poles were very enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis and participated actively in the round up of Jews and the theft of their property.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Livia

A good number of Poles were very enthusiastic supporters of the Nazis and participated actively in the round up of Jews and the theft of their property.

oh, that explains that they had sent most of their army to Lvov (where there in reality was not much fighting)

but more like that the Nazis could easily invade Radom




the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back (first starting a ''alliance'' with them to take poland but then wanting it all) how the Soviets didn't see that coming at all, how laidback their approach was pre-1941



and then there also is Vichy France obviously, whom were also vile cowardly sympathizers of the Nazi's in exchange for their own freedoms (whom controlled North Africa, southern france)


but all of this is very offtopic, so lets head back on topic


in terms of the pro-palestine protesters, they don't seem to understand in a war you always have collateral damage, it is sad of the innocent palestinians deaths, but you always should fight terrorism and you can blame Hamas more for those deaths who used their citizens as human shields, than Netanyahu (he made a controversial decision yes, deffo makes him not very popular) but Hamas are more evil at the moment

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

the Nazis were so rotten to the core they even tried stabbing the Soviets in the back

The more one learns about those guys

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The more one learns about those guys

I know in the past you have been on the fence about the Nazis Oliver

Will this fresh information change that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I know in the past you have been on the fence about the Nazis Oliver

Will this fresh information change that?

Something like that just really puts things into perspective.