[Crimson Dynamo]

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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I didn't watch Eurovision just watched the last of the voting, its clear the viewership gave their opinion on Olly, oversexualising on a family viewing show is a no no and the viewers gave their opinion, same when Ekin Su appeared in a body stocking in DOI she was bottom 2, next week she wore something wholesome and she was saved No one wants to watch sexy acts with their kids....

Kids Cherie, up to midnight???
Really.

Does the watershed go out the window for Eurovision.
I don't know if any of my great nephews or nieces who are what would be termed kids.
Who watch Eurovision.

There was an act where the singer and others had NOTHING on.
There were things held up to cover up the bits that ought to be.

Is that though fine for kids.
There's was a Female singer who left little to the imagination as to her attire.

Are they okay though because they are mixed genders or all female genders.

It's just all male gender staging of a suggestive nature that's wrong and bad for kids.
On a programme going on well past the watershed.

I believe there's a junior Eurovision.
Kids can watch that.

Crikey BBC better not put any 18+ films on post 9 pm
If the watershed doesn't apply.

There was nothing wrong with the staging.
Only people having issues with the guys sexuality would see something to complain on.

As Kazanne stated.
Double standards to moan at his.
However not to the mixed or all female staging too of nudity or being let's say provocative.

Oh crumbs, time to get out of here.
Wheeled in now is Hartley -Brewer another misery guts

Good grief that weird woman my parents moaned about so much.
Oh yeah it seems May Whitehouse is alive and well here on TIBB.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Kids Cherie, up to midnight???
Really.

Does the watershed go out the window for Eurovision.
I don't know if any of my great nephews or nieces who are what would be termed kids.
Who watch Eurovision.

There was an act where the singer and others had NOTHING on.
There were things held up to cover up the bits that ought to be.

Is that though fine for kids.
There's was a Female singer who left little to the imagination as to her attire.

Are they okay though because they are mixed genders or all female genders.

It's just all male gender staging of a suggestive nature that's wrong and bad for kids.
On a programme going on well past the watershed.

I believe there's a junior Eurovision.
Kids can watch that.

Crikey BBC better not put any 18+ films on post 9 pm
If the watershed doesn't apply.

There was nothing wrong with the staging.
Only people having issues with the guys sexuality would see something to complain on.

As Kazanne stated.
Double standards to moan at his.
However not to the mixed or all female staging too of nudity or being let's say provocative.

Does it still start at 8pm? I remember as kids it was one of the nights we could stay up late.... just watched Ollys performance now on Youtube, I think the public got it right, his voice was weak and the performance was ...er.... not to my taste at any rate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Does it still start at 8pm? I remember as kids it was one of the nights we could stay up late.... just watched Ollys performance now on Youtube, I think the public got it right, his voice was weak and the performance was ...er.... not to my taste at any rate

I was allowed to stay up late to watch it as a kid

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Does it still start at 8pm? I remember as kids it was one of the nights we could stay up late.... just watched Ollys performance now on Youtube, I think the public got it right, his voice was weak and the performance was ...er.... not to my taste at any rate

Yes it starts at 8 pm.
The routine had already been seen on the semi final shows.

However what's the point of having kids, watching a programme that takes best half an hour to get through the format.
Then going on to midnight so those kids shouldn't be watching anyway post 9pm
If they ARE that's not the shoes fault, it's the parents

It's fine if people didn't like the staging or the song or even don't like Olly Alexander.
However to go on about that staging which he didn't devise.
While overlooking the all female and mixed gender suggestive stagings.
Is blatant double standards.

It's really though his sexuality that's being got at IN MY VIEW.
Which is fine if people have an issue with that and against it.

Otherwise the Contest had more than Olly Alexander on it and other provocative suggestive routines too.

I just don't get it.
All the acts were seen on the Tuesday and Thursday before the final on Saturday.
Including the 5 main Countries automatically through.

If there was anything anyone thought Kids shouldn't see, they were there then.
So no need to have kids watching.

I don't get it the constant moaning, only at his routine.
One could be forgiven for thinking homophobia actually is still very much alive in the UK.
That's more worrying than a staging of a routine for Eurovision.
To me it is anyhow.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

She simply felt more comfortable in her bare feet, but it was seen as unseemly at the time

People forget that at that time bands like the beatles and the stones were considered heretics for daring to have long hair.


I grew up in a fabulous time

Yes, my parent's told me of the outcry of the Beatles hair.
Plus how the Rolling Stones looked too.

I adore the 60!s music.
I've collected near all of the groups and singers of the 60s CDs.

I love Sandie Shaw.
Have a cd of her A sides and B sides
I believe the b side to Puppet on a String was Tell The Boys.
Runner up to be the UK entry by her.
I prefer Tell The Boys to Puppet ............

Love music of the 60s though
I would have loved to be around then absolutely.

She should have been Sandie Shore not Shaw being barefoot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Everyone agreed the staging was seedy and inappropriate

hence it got NO public points

bad song, poorly sung and awful staging

the lad will do well to recover any credibility now going forward

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Everyone agreed the staging was seedy and inappropriate

hence it got NO public points

bad song, poorly sung and awful staging

the lad will do well to recover any credibility now going forward

How absurd , EVERYONE, you've talked to everyone that exists have you ???
He'll do fine

Not everyone is homophobic iin this day and age.
Thank all powers to be for that too.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He has even been disowned by Queers for Palestine as they begged him not to take part and he ignored them

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

He has even been disowned by Queers for Palestine as they begged him not to take part and he ignored them

Why should you care about that ?
I'm fact it's mystifying why you're so consumed by this one singer who happens to be gay, after.being in a song contest.

I could just imagine your further outrage if a British act pulled out of Eurovision for Palestinians.
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any way complimentary.

You'd be firing anti-Semitism at him probably too then.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why should you care about that ?
I'm fact it's mystifying why you're so consumed by this one singer who happens to be gay, after.being in a song contest.

I could just imagine your further outrage if a British act pulled out of Eurovision for Palestinians.
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have been any way complimentary.

You'd be firing anti-Semitism at him probably too then.

Even the far left Daily Mirror are saying it was career suicide by ALexander

"While Alexander may not admit it publicly, at least not for a while, signing up to
be the UK entry for this year's Eurovision Song Contest has been a disastrous
career move that could haunt him for years."

"Olly Alexander went from advocating for Palestine to claiming he 'wasn't
qualified to speak out' within a matter of weeks"

"In Olly Alexander's Road to Eurovision '24, the It's A Sin actor sobbed as he
addressed the calls for him to boycott this year's contest over Israel's
inclusion, saying he "wasn't qualified to speak on" the heartbreaking scenes
coming out of Palestine, referring to it as an "incredibly complicated political
situation."

Yet in October, before being unveiled as the UK entry for Eurovision two
months later, Alexander called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the
governing body in Gaza. An open letter from LGBT charity Voices4London
signed by Alexander referred to Israel as an 'apartheid regime' aiming to
"ethnically cleanse" Palestine."

"By insisting that he knows better than Palestinians, Olly Alexander again flaunts a colonial mentality," Queers For Palestine said in a statement regarding Alexander's response to their boycott plea"

(so by your logic they are homophobic too - this will be news for them)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...ision-32773195

and that is the Labour Party supporting Mirror going in with 2 feet

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Even the far left Daily Mirror are saying it was career suicide by ALexander

"While Alexander may not admit it publicly, at least not for a while, signing up to
be the UK entry for this year's Eurovision Song Contest has been a disastrous
career move that could haunt him for years."

"Olly Alexander went from advocating for Palestine to claiming he 'wasn't
qualified to speak out' within a matter of weeks"

"In Olly Alexander's Road to Eurovision '24, the It's A Sin actor sobbed as he
addressed the calls for him to boycott this year's contest over Israel's
inclusion, saying he "wasn't qualified to speak on" the heartbreaking scenes
coming out of Palestine, referring to it as an "incredibly complicated political
situation."

Yet in October, before being unveiled as the UK entry for Eurovision two
months later, Alexander called for a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, the
governing body in Gaza. An open letter from LGBT charity Voices4London
signed by Alexander referred to Israel as an 'apartheid regime' aiming to
"ethnically cleanse" Palestine."

"By insisting that he knows better than Palestinians, Olly Alexander again flaunts a colonial mentality," Queers For Palestine said in a statement regarding Alexander's response to their boycott plea"

(so by your logic they are homophobic too - this will be news for them)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebri...ision-32773195

and that is the Labour Party supporting Mirror going in with 2 feet

I don't think you really read my posts which is fine of course..
I'm surprised you read any of mine to be frank.

However it must be universal knowledge on even here that I haven't a millionth of an ounce of caring what papers say.
The lot of them blow where the wind seems to be the more popular.
I never buy one or read one
I don't CARE.

I like Olly so am defending him.
I wouldn't have made a quarter of the posts I have if you hadn't come on day after day on every thread, even on the Swiss wiinner thread to spout your hate of Olly
Someone even asked you what had what you were saying to do with the Swiss winner

You never say anything about the stagings that involved mixed genders or only female which were of an unseemly nature.
You only highlight the guy who is gay and the all male staging of his entry.

What on earth is your problem with the gay side of the stagings but not the others.
That it has so consumed your energy to not dig up anything positive, only negative you can find on Olly Alexander.
Not the Eurovision team who devised the staging.
Not anyone else connected to it .
Only him, who is gay and open and proud about it.
To the extrent in the lead up to the contest, during it and now 2 days even on from it ending.

You are all over, just attacking him for the staging and him personally.
ONLY the gay person with the suggestive staging.
Others with just Women or mixed genders, nothing from you.
NOTHING.

The press are often homophobic, they threaten celebrities with outing them once they know for sure they are .
I can't wait to see the day the stinking rotten press of the UK.no longer reaches anyone .
The whole lot of them put together now barely reach 6 million in circulation.
10 to 15 years ago it was over double that at least.

As for the other organisation you are digging up.
When they hear from Olly properly himself that will be smoothed over.
I feel pretty sure of that

Honestly.
You really are going from one kind of obsessed absurdity to another.
Desperately too it seems.

The Eurovision contest and near all it's controversies of this year will soon be forgotten.
Next year it will be back with likely new controversies.
Let's hope the UK don't put in another unsuspecting gay singer for you to set out to character assassinate like this year with Olly.

I really like him so love talking about him.
If I hated him as you appear to, I'd never want to mention his name.
Never mind go on and on and on about him as you are.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the Daily Mirror is criticising him, he got no points from the general public and even Queers for Palestine are calling him a colonialist

I don't think pulling out the homophobia as a last resort card is going to help

with respect

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't think you really read my posts which is fine of course..
I'm surprised you read any of mine to be frank.

However it must be universal knowledge on even here that I haven't a millionth of an ounce of caring what papers say.
The lot of them blow where the wind seems to be the more popular.
I never buy one or read one
I don't CARE.

I like Olly so am defending him.
I wouldn't have made a quarter of the posts I have if you hadn't come on day after day on every thread, even on the Swiss wiinner thread to spout your hate of Olly
Someone even asked you what had what you were saying to do with the Swiss winner

You never say anything about the stagings that involved mixed genders or only female which were of an unseemly nature.
You only highlight the guy who is gay and the all male staging of his entry.

What on earth is your problem with the gay side of the stagings but not the others.
That it has so consumed your energy to not dig up anything positive, only negative you can find on Olly Alexander.
Not the Eurovision team who devised the staging.
Not anyone else connected to it .
Only him, who is gay and open and proud about it.
To the extrent in the lead up to the contest, during it and now 2 days even on from it ending.

You are all over, just attacking him for the staging and him personally.
ONLY the gay person with the suggestive staging.
Others with just Women or mixed genders, nothing from you.
NOTHING.

The press are often homophobic, they threaten celebrities with outing them once they know for sure they are .
I can't wait to see the day the stinking rotten press of the UK.no longer reaches anyone .
The whole lot of them put together now barely reach 6 million in circulation.
10 to 15 years ago it was over double that at least.

As for the other organisation you are digging up.
When they hear from Olly properly himself that will be smoothed over.
I feel pretty sure of that

Honestly.
You really are going from one kind of obsessed absurdity to another.
Desperately too it seems.

The Eurovision contest and near all it's controversies of this year will soon be forgotten.
Next year it will be back with likely new controversies.
Let's hope the UK don't put in another unsuspecting gay singer for you to set out to character assassinate like this year with Olly.

I really like him so love talking about him.
If I hated him as you appear to, I'd never want to mention his name.
Never mind go on and on and on about him as you are.

My only concern after all this settles down is Olly’s mental state / depression / anxieties.

I know he’s been on antidepressants for nearly 20 years


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

My only concern after all this settles down is Olly’s mental state / depression / anxieties.

I know he’s been on antidepressants for nearly 20 years


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Zizu.
His Mum is a rock to him she was there with him at the contest.
He has good people around him who will insulate him from all character assassination nonsense.

He'll fortunately not look on TIBB so won't see the main negatives being endlessly fired on here.

He's fine Zizu.
Being supported and ensuring he's okay.

Look, Zizu, I'm going to pm you okay

[Livia]

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Who is supporting the other nil points entrants from the UK who've disappeared from view? Show business is cut throat. You should be able to do your thing and own it, regardless of people's criticism, without people worrying for your mental health.

Oh if only all Humans were the same and needed no special help or support.

People are different with different needs and feelings and insecurities.
Whether very poor to very rich.
Regardless of what their jobs or careers are..

Also Olly didn't get nil points he got 46.
None from the public vote but not nil points.

Plus how do you know others who've done badly in Eurovision haven't needed and got support badly needed once it was over.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Oh if only all Humans were the same and needed no special help or support.

People are different with different needs and feelings and insecurities.
Whether very poor to very rich.
Regardless of what their jobs or careers are..

Also Olly didn't get nil points he got 46.
None from the public vote but not nil points.

Plus how do you know others who've done badly in Eurovision haven't needed and got support badly needed once it was over.

I'm not talking about humans generally, I'm taking about performers in show business. And I don't know others haven't needed help afterwards. I just don't know why people are wringing their hands for Ollie, or how they know about his mental health problems. He's a successful performer. I believe there are people suffering worse and they're the ones who deserve out sympathy and empathy.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Zizu

My only concern after all this settles down is Olly’s mental state / depression / anxieties.

I know he’s been on antidepressants for nearly 20 years


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He will be fine. There are acts who came out worse. Like Norway?

[Crimson Dynamo]

what dizzy do now?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what dizzy do now?

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..


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He will indeed.
Because of the encouragement and support of those who want him to have success.
Plus got those of his fans who love his music, his songwriting and his acting.


He doesn't need to and should NEVER EVER bother about those who in the main just don't like his sexuality, so would love to see his career fail bigtime.
Who more hate him yet cannot stop talking about him.
I think thankfully and rightfully those of that problem with him, are going to be severely disappointed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

He will continue making fabulous music , hit records , acting and being a positive role model for millions of people just for starters..

Yes an Actor

He should play a Gangster
carrying a Gun.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm not talking about humans generally, I'm taking about performers in show business. And I don't know others haven't needed help afterwards. I just don't know why people are wringing their hands for Ollie, or how they know about his mental health problems. He's a successful performer. I believe there are people suffering worse and they're the ones who deserve out sympathy and empathy.

There are many celebrities in show business despite having so called friends in show business.
Have been found dead alone or even taken their own lives too.

I repeat, there's no norm.
People are all different.
People deal with pressures differently.
Whether very poor or very rich.

It's no different for celebrities.
Whether, actors, singers or presenters.
Support and being uplifted can be needed by them as well as anyone else in every walk of life.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

There are many celebrities in show business despite having so called friends in show business.
Have been found dead alone or even taken their own lives too.

I repeat, there's no norm.
People are all different.
People deal with pressures differently.
Whether very poor or very rich.

It's no different for celebrities.
Whether, actors, singers or presenters.
Support and being uplifted can be needed by them as well as anyone else in every walk of life.

I think maybe you're just a much nicer person than I am.