[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sun is literally a burning ball of hydrogen, as it burns it uses up the hydrogen and thus loses mass which makes it grow bigger (because it has a lower gravitational pull) and colder (because it's using it's fuel). It'll eventually become a "red giant" - many times bigger than the current sun, but also cooler.

Again though, we're talking timeframes of BILLIONS of years here, the changes within the entire span of human history are so small they can barely be measured let alone cause any actual change on Earth.

This is fine and all, but a bloke on the internet said no

[Twosugars]

I blame the Clintons. And Corbyn.

[Beso]

You won't be laughing when we get sucked up into the sun.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You won't be laughing when we get sucked up into the sun.

[Twosugars]

Idk about you but I like getting sucked

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The sun is literally a burning ball of hydrogen, as it burns it uses up the hydrogen and thus loses mass which makes it grow bigger (because it has a lower gravitational pull) and colder (because it's using it's fuel). It'll eventually become a "red giant" - many times bigger than the current sun, but also cooler.



Again though, we're talking timeframes of BILLIONS of years here, the changes within the entire span of human history are so small they can barely be measured let alone cause any actual change on Earth.

Interesting .. thank you .


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[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I blame the Clintons. And Corbyn.

Good timing then ..




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[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Good timing then ..




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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Idk about you but I like getting sucked

By the sun?...

Ty spellchecker

[Zizu]

https://x.com/robinmonotti/status/1786671832080208320

JOHN CLAUSER, 2022 PHYSICS NOBEL PRIZE WINNER:
"I can very confidently assert, there is NO climate emergency."
“As much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is NOT in peril. … atmospheric CO2 and methane have negligible effect on the climate.
The policies government have been implementing are total unnecessary and should be eliminated.
So far, [we] have totally misidentified what is the dominant process in controlling the climate, and all of the various models are based on incomplete and incorrect physics.
The dominant process, is “the cloud-sunlight-reflexivity thermostat mechanism.
Clouds are all bright white, and they reflected 90% of the sunlight back into space making them the most crucial yet most overlooked aspect of the climate system.
Two-thirds of the Earth are ocean. The Pacific Ocean alone is half the Earth. The average cloud cover for the Earth is 67%; about 50% over land and 75% over oceans.
I claim that the above conspicuous properties of clouds are the missing part of the puzzle.

I can very confidently assert, there is no climate emergency."





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[MTVN]

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things

Changes in weather conditions .. even extreme changes doesn’t mean its a man made problem..

Maybe its just nature maybe a bit of both ?


There must be some data or charts to illustrate any massive changes at the time of the industrial revolution and so on


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[arista]

Yes of course it does

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I've always been pretty sceptical of the extent of climate change but difficult to argue with the amount of extreme weather that has affected the world recently

I do have total faith though that sounds policies plus technological advances will help to mitigate it and stabilise things

Extreme weather affects the earth 365 days a year and always has

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Changes in weather conditions .. even extreme changes doesn’t mean its a man made problem..

Maybe its just nature maybe a bit of both ?


There must be some data or charts to illustrate any massive changes at the time of the industrial revolution and so on


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Bit of both I think. Tbh we had no real way of measuring weather effectively until quite recently and we also had very little awareness of the global climate

That's what Greta et al forget when they blame previous generations so viciously

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Extreme weather affects the earth 365 days a year and always has

Yes but let's not be obtuse

[bots]

the weather systems and their interactions are outrageously complicated, so the solution will never be as simple as trying to manipulate 1 variable like the environmentalists are trying to.

We pretend that we understand it, but we don't. Now, it may be that slowing the global temperature rise will help, but, equally, it may have no effect whatsoever and meanwhile, it's forcing the world into poverty. Personally, i would rather have money in my pocket than suffer poverty because a loud group of extremists, most of whom don't have a clue about anything, tell us what we should be doing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but let's not be obtuse

Yes but you are reacting mainly to the fact that "extreme weather" makes the media now, 20 years ago when the MSM were not pumping out "extreme weather" news and you were not consuming it I was monitoring it

So when you see "extreme flooding" say in Saudi Arabia and you think oh wow that's new it must be CO2 production" I think yes I recall flooding like that umpteen times in the last 40 years.

Be careful where you are getting your weather news and why you are getting it

[Crimson Dynamo]

The very thread title is case in point, its misinformation and exactly the issue

The climate is always changing, the earth is always heating up and cooling down - "since records began" generally means the last 100 years

My rule of thumb is if global warming means the average joe has to pay for it

its bollocks

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but you are reacting mainly to the fact that "extreme weather" makes the media now, 20 years ago when the MSM were not pumping out "extreme weather" news and you were not consuming it I was monitoring it

So when you see "extreme flooding" say in Saudi Arabia and you think oh wow that's new it must be CO2 production" I think yes I recall flooding like that umpteen times in the last 40 years.

Be careful where you are getting your weather news and why you are getting it

Well that's quite interesting but I'm not totally convinced. UAE had like a year's worth of rainfall in 24 hours this year which was very unusual. Dozens of pilgrims died in Saudi because of extreme temps. Europe has had massive heatwaves of 40C+, the US has had serious heatwaves. We've had a lot more flooding. Ski resorts have been shut down because of there being no snow. I think the frequency of extreme weather events has been pretty extraordinary in the last few years while I recognise that they have always happened to some extent

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the weather systems and their interactions are outrageously complicated, so the solution will never be as simple as trying to manipulate 1 variable like the environmentalists are trying to.

We pretend that we understand it, but we don't. Now, it may be that slowing the global temperature rise will help, but, equally, it may have no effect whatsoever and meanwhile, it's forcing the world into poverty. Personally, i would rather have money in my pocket than suffer poverty because a loud group of extremists, most of whom don't have a clue about anything, tell us what we should be doing

Agree with that, the current generation likes to think they are so enlightened on all these matters but so much is still unknown

[Ammi]

…this is quite a good information site/article…some key points but I won’t post the full content of information…


https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/



While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."1
Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.




The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.
Earth's climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking the beginning of the modern climate era — and of human civilization. Most of these climate changes are attributed to very small variations in Earth’s orbit that change the amount of solar energy our planet receives.

The current warming trend is different because it is clearly the result of human activities since the mid-1800s, and is proceeding at a rate not seen over many recent millennia.
It is undeniable that human activities have produced the atmospheric gases that have trapped more of the Sun’s energy in the Earth system. This extra energy has warmed the atmosphere, ocean, and land, and widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, and biosphere have occurred.

Do scientists agree on climate change?
Earth-orbiting satellites and new technologies have helped scientists see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate all over the world. These data, collected over many years, reveal the signs and patterns of a changing climate.
Scientists demonstrated the heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases in the mid-19th century.2 Many of the science instruments NASA uses to study our climate focus on how these gases affect the movement of infrared radiation through the atmosphere. From the measured impacts of increases in these gases, there is no question that increased greenhouse gas levels warm Earth in response.
Scientific evidence for warming of the climate system is unequivocal.




Global Temperature Is Rising
The planet's average surface temperature has risen about 2 degrees Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere and other human activities.4 Most of the warming occurred in the past 40 years, with the seven most recent years being the warmest. The years 2016 and 2020 are tied for the warmest year on record.

The Ocean Is Getting Warmer
The ocean has absorbed much of this increased heat, with the top 100 meters (about 328 feet) of ocean showing warming of 0.67 degrees Fahrenheit (0.33 degrees Celsius) since 1969.6 Earth stores 90% of the extra energy in the ocean.


The Ice Sheets Are Shrinking
The Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have decreased in mass. Data from NASA's Gravity Recovery and Climate Experiment show Greenland lost an average of 279 billion tons of ice per year between 1993 and 2019, while Antarctica lost about 148 billion tons of ice per year.

Glaciers Are Retreating
Glaciers are retreating almost everywhere around the world — including in the Alps, Himalayas, Andes, Rockies, Alaska, and Africa.

Snow Cover Is Decreasing
Satellite observations reveal that the amount of spring snow cover in the Northern Hemisphere has decreased over the past five decades and the snow is melting earlier.

Sea Level Is Rising
Global sea level rose about 8 inches (20 centimeters) in the last century. The rate in the last two decades, however, is nearly double that of the last century and accelerating slightly every year.

Arctic Sea Ice Is Declining
Both the extent and thickness of Arctic sea ice has declined rapidly over the last several decades.

Extreme Events Are Increasing in Frequency
The number of record high temperature events in the United States has been increasing, while the number of record low temperature events has been decreasing, since 1950. The U.S. has also witnessed increasing numbers of intense rainfall events.


Ocean Acidification Is Increasing
Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the acidity of surface ocean waters has increased by about 30%.13, 14 This increase is due to humans emitting more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and hence more being absorbed into the ocean. The ocean has absorbed between 20% and 30% of total anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions in recent decades (7.2 to 10.8 billion metric tons per year).

[Ammi]

…the short of it……yes, I do most definitely think that it exists…

[Mystic Mock]

I think that it's real, but like everything these days it gets shoved down your throat so much by miserable ****ers (like the miserable ****ers that like to bring up a certain Pandemic at every given opportunity,) that I just despise the topic in general these days.

But yeah I think that it exists, I don't know if corporations are exaggerating it for performative and profit reasons, but the UK has had unusual/inconsistent weather three years in a row, and that has never happened before in such a noticeable manner.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think that it's real, but like everything these days it gets shoved down your throat so much by miserable ****ers (like the miserable ****ers that like to bring up a certain Pandemic at every given opportunity,) that I just despise the topic in general these days.

But yeah I think that it exists, I don't know if corporations are exaggerating it for performative and profit reasons, but the UK has had unusual/inconsistent weather three years in a row, and that has never happened before in such a noticeable manner.

You are comparing it to weather you have experienced when there have been loads of heat waves and ice ages lasting absolute ages !

:::

There were at least 17 cycles between glacial and interglacial periods. The glacial periods lasted longer than the interglacial periods. The last glacial period began about 100,000 years ago and lasted until 25,000 years ago. Today we are in a warm interglacial period.


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