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Old 24-10-2024, 10:22 PM #1
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The video isn’t as bad as the wording implies. He doesn’t grab her neck but places his beside it - grabbing implies pressure and force, yet there is none. There were also no signs of anger between them when it happened. I think this has been blown up out of proportion to fit the ongoing narrative about Marcello’s treatment of women.
His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.
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His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.
Look, Adam, I’ve posted very few comments about Marcello at all, and in those I’ve posted on this particular matter, it’s not been about defending Marcello - it’s about the language you used and what that implied. The fact that you have now changed your description from him ‘grabbing’ her neck to ‘his hand literally touched her neck’ is indicative of the fact that you recognise you chose to paint the wrong picture in order to force a certain narrative.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because you feel other members might blow what Ali says out of proportion, they are sharing their interpretation of her actions which just happens to differ from your interpretation. Different opinions and interpretations are fine, and to be expected. What you’ve done here regarding Marcello, however, is basically changed the facts, and that’s the issue.

Finally, before you decide to lump me in with the ‘most of you‘ that you’ve chosen to criticise regarding Ali in your response to me, I think most members would probably agree that I have, in fact, tried to raise awareness here of Ali’s Autistic traits, how they might affect her and how that might mean she is judged harshly by others. I’ve done that in an attempt to create some understanding and empathy for her. I put thought into my comments, use the knowledge and experience I have, and consider the effect of my words on others before each post. I’m an independent thinker, and won’t be dismissed as just one of some sort of pack.

Enough said,
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Look, Adam, I’ve posted very few comments about Marcello at all, and in those I’ve posted on this particular matter, it’s not been about defending Marcello - it’s about the language you used and what that implied. The fact that you have now changed your description from him ‘grabbing’ her neck to ‘his hand literally touched her neck’ is indicative of the fact that you recognise you chose to paint the wrong picture in order to force a certain narrative.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because you feel other members might blow what Ali says out of proportion, they are sharing their interpretation of her actions which just happens to differ from your interpretation. Different opinions and interpretations are fine, and to be expected. What you’ve done here regarding Marcello, however, is basically changed the facts, and that’s the issue.

Finally, before you decide to lump me in with the ‘most of you‘ that you’ve chosen to criticise regarding Ali in your response to me, I think most members would probably agree that I have, in fact, tried to raise awareness here of Ali’s Autistic traits, how they might affect her and how that might mean she is judged harshly by others. I’ve done that in an attempt to create some understanding and empathy for her. I put thought into my comments, use the knowledge and experience I have, and consider the effect of my words on others before each post. I’m an independent thinker, and won’t be dismissed as just one of some sort of pack.

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What? I haven’t changed my description at all? He did grab her neck. I used “his hand touched her neck” because you tried to paint it as if his hand barely hovered near it when there was literally skin to skin contact of his hand on her neck, I’ve seen the clip multiple times so don’t try and act like I’m trying to force any kind of narrative just because you don’t agree.

It’s not about me “feeling” anything, Ali literally utters one word in an episode and there’s 5 different threads saying she’s racist, a nasty witch, a bully etc. yet there’s crickets for when Marcello talks about Sarah’s genitals, gaslights her into believing she’s the problem in an argument he started. When I said I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali that’s just the truth. Ali has not behaved flawlessly and I won’t deny that but you first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video, his hand was around her neck even if it was for barely a couple of seconds.

So yes, enough said.
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What? I haven’t changed my description at all? He did grab her neck. I used “his hand touched her neck” because you tried to paint it as if his hand barely hovered near it when there was literally skin to skin contact of his hand on her neck, I’ve seen the clip multiple times so don’t try and act like I’m trying to force any kind of narrative just because you don’t agree.

It’s not about me “feeling” anything, Ali literally utters one word in an episode and there’s 5 different threads saying she’s racist, a nasty witch, a bully etc. yet there’s crickets for when Marcello talks about Sarah’s genitals, gaslights her into believing she’s the problem in an argument he started. When I said I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali that’s just the truth. Ali has not behaved flawlessly and I won’t deny that but you first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video, his hand was around her neck even if it was for barely a couple of seconds.

So yes, enough said.
Seriously? The amount of irony in your comments is unfathomable to me, as you are constantly contradicting your own statements!

I credit you with the intelligence to recognise that there is a massive difference between grabbing and touching, and of the picture that emerges as a result! You are now choosing to exclaim in horror ‘there was literally skin to skin contact!’ when I’ve never suggested there wasn’t and, in fact, clearly stated in my own comments that is what I witnessed!

Then you throw out the accusation that ‘your first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video’! I suggest that you should, perhaps, re-read my comments, as the evidence is there in black and white, and prove without any doubt, that you are incorrect. Another, irony is that the only person you are fooling by your impulsive and ill-considered accusations is yourself! It seems to me that you are shooting out accusations without allowing yourself to think about what you are actually reading or what, in fact, you are trying to say.

Yet again, you then link a comment I’ve made about one particular Marcello incident with unfair posts that others (not me!) have made about Ali, in your determination to attack and create conflict with me! You add, ’I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali’ thereby, implying that is what I am doing, in choosing to aim your comments at me.

And here’s the next irony - very early on I posted my criticism of Marcello’s vulgar ‘bending a woman over the sofa’ comment as being suggestive of the fact he saw and treated women as objects. Alongside that, I have posted a ridiculous number of comments in defence of Ali, to the point that I’ve been attacked for that! It’s called basing my opinions on individual events, not casting wild aspersions based on a judgement I’ve decided upon and stubbornly refuse to adjust and adapt as more information presents itself.

So that just leaves the biggest irony of all…..your criticisms, accusations and attacks on me are targeted at my thoughts and views, which are, in fact, pretty much similar to your own! Unfortunately, you seem unable to see that!

Now, perhaps go and aim your bullets at someone who deserves them, rather than targeting them at someone who doesn’t. And, when you do, perhaps it would be wise to spend some time in considering what has been posted by others, as well as your own wild generalisations, before deciding to respond.
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His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.
Yeah he's so dangerous & violent , maybe police will arrest him next . Poor Lily..... the little baby .
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Yeah he's so dangerous & violent , maybe police will arrest him next . Poor Lily..... the little baby .
Cause that’s what I was getting at continue to gloss over the behaviour just cause you don’t like Lily.
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Cause that’s what I was getting at continue to gloss over the behaviour just cause you don’t like Lily.
Like @Garfie said ....once you start using wording/ language like " grabbed" & " hands on throat", it instantly freaks us all out into thinking it was more extreme than it actually was .

The way things are described is misleading and can be damaging. Even his row with Sarah in chicken drama,
was already twisted... like he was some threatening
thug.

I'm not glossing over anything, I think it would be more worrying if he didn't realise anytime he over stepped a mark.
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