[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well, as demonstrated one person's homophobia is another person's edgy joke, so... Who gets to decide? The most offended? That's just a race to the bottom.

But, do I see how it could be dangerous? No more than I can see the authoritarian suppression of action and speech under the jackboot of the 'we know what's good for you' new puritans to be dangerous.

People are already in real danger from that.

I am a firm believer of exposing bad ideas and actions to sunlight as a disinfectant, because they grow a lot worse in the darkness. I would 100% have a Mickey in there, for example, than a 'pick me' creeper like Chris. At least Mickey wears who he is openly and allows you to make a judgement on him based on that.

Question; Why are so called 'Liberals' the most authoritarian in every conversation these days?

It's ironic to me though that every time something like this happens we get the usual "can't say anything these days" spiel online, but the first instance of someone getting removed from Big Brother for offensive language happened almost twenty years ago. This is nothing new, so I'm not sure why people act like this is a consequence of some kind of new culture against freedom of speech. No one is taking away his right to say anything he wants, but he is in a television show where there is rules and regulations.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

It's ironic to me though that every time something like this happens we get the usual "can't say anything these days" spiel online, but the first instance of someone getting removed from Big Brother for offensive language happened almost twenty years ago. This is nothing new, so I'm not sure why people act like this is a consequence of some kind of new culture against freedom of speech. No one is taking away his right to say anything he wants, but he is in a television show where there is rules and regulations.

Yes, this started seeping into the mainstream at least 20 years ago, I agree.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yes, this started seeping into the mainstream at least 20 years ago, I agree.

What did? People being held accountable for being racist and homophobic? Is it your opinion that Emily should have been allowed to call her black housemates the N word?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

What did? People being held accountable for being racist and homophobic? Is it your opinion that Emily should have been allowed to call her black housemates the N word?

Emily was unfairly removed, yes. There was no malice or hate in her use of it. Plus, she invented Indie and we should all respect that.

We probably have very different ideas of what 'properly accountable' for using words looks like.

But I mean the ideological push of the Frankfurt School in general... What grew to be understood these days as 'woke'.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Emily was unfairly removed, yes. There was no malice or hate in her use of it. Plus, she invented Indie and we should all respect that.

We probably have very different ideas of what 'properly accountable' for using words looks like.

But I mean the ideological push of the Frankfurt School in general... What grew to be understood these days as 'woke'.

That was disastrous .. Emily looked as though she was gonna be a brilliant housemate

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That was disastrous .. Emily looked as though she was gonna be a brilliant housemate

She could been one of the greats!

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Emily was unfairly removed, yes. There was no malice or hate in her use of it. Plus, she invented Indie and we should all respect that.

We probably have very different ideas of what 'properly accountable' for using words looks like.

But I mean the ideological push of the Frankfurt School in general... What grew to be understood these days as 'woke'.

Sorry but the fact that you think a white girl is entitled to go around calling black people the N word without consequence just nullifies your entire argument for me. That's a pretty extreme view to hold that you are masking as some kind of appreciation for free speech. The word "woke" has become so overused by the right at this point that it's essentially meaningless.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Abra

Sorry but the fact that you think a white girl is entitled to go around calling black people the N word without consequence just nullifies your entire argument for me. That's a pretty extreme view to hold that you are masking as some kind of appreciation for free speech. The word "woke" has become so overused by the right at this point that it's essentially meaningless.

lol it's not 'extreme'... stop being so dramatic

I just think that intention and context matters in these things, and Emily was clearly not being racist. Charley didn't even care about it until Shabna convinced her that she should. A warning would have been fine.

If this position is 'extreme' to you then I am not sure what to say

I agree that 'woke' is overused and often misused, but I understand what it means and use it correctly, if sparingly.

[Abra]

Originally Posted by vesavius

lol it's not 'extreme'... stop being so dramatic

I just think that intention and context matters in these things, and Emily was clearly not being racist. Charley didn't even care about it until Shabna convinced her that she should. A warning would have been fine.

If this position is 'extreme' to you then I am not sure what to say

I agree that 'woke' is overused and often misused, but I understand what it means and use it correctly, if sparingly.

I'm sorry to be the one to inform you, but supporting a white person's right to call a black person the N word is most certainly an extreme racist view, there's no two ways around it. I would also say that's pretty universally acknowledged as a textbook example of racism. There's no context in which a white person calling a black person that word isn't racist, and no amount of mental gymnastics around "intention" will change that. She knew the word she was using and she knew that she was calling a black person that word, she said it with the intention she meant it.

"Emily was clearly not being racist" I have to laugh