[arista]

[joeysteele]

I'm sorry but I still hope this is not voted for.

This bill has been mucked about with, with more changes to possibly come too.
Not a chance I'd support this particular bill nor vote for it obviously.

In fact Kim Leadbeater, the more she presents as to this bill, the even more less I like about it.

[arista]

The vote in Parliament is today
PM.

The Press can
Not call it?

[MTVN]

I think it will pass though with a decreased majority which just shows why it's not a good idea imo. If people who supported it a couple of months ago no longer think it's the right thing or can see that it's been weakened already then how can you properly future-proof it with adequate safeguards

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it will pass though with a decreased majority which just shows why it's not a good idea imo. If people who supported it a couple of months ago no longer think it's the right thing or can see that it's been weakened already then how can you properly future-proof it with adequate safeguards

i just don't think its a topic that won't be subject to differing opinion throughout a persons life dependent on the circumstances experienced around them.

My rather simplistic take is that it will be open to abuse, these things always are, and if it allows 1 murder to happen, it's 1 murder too many.

I may have had a different opinion prior to Shipman, but that genie is out of the box

[joeysteele]

They've just voted down clause 16 put by a Conservative MP
Which was extremely important.
As to people possibly feeling a burden etc, not being able to somehow get consideration for this under this bill.

I dislike this bill more and more.
Kim Leadbeater is really poor at her presentation of it.
It seems all things to secure more safety are being voted down.

I think it will pass but it will possibly become on of the most dangerous bills, in this form, that under any government has been brought in.
It's been botched and security after security being removed.

I can see Doctors, Nurses and others in all aspects of care, facing accusations of wrongdoing and even coercion in this.
Possibly even ending of careers and prosecutions.
Whatever the way forward as to this issue is, for me NO WAY, is this bill that way forward at all .
It's extremely badly constructed.

[joeysteele]

How many amendments has this Kim Leadbeater had to make to this bill.
That shows the and her poor original planning of it, however the amendments too, just seem to weaken the security and protection vital for any bill of this nature.

I'm really dismayed enough MPs are even thinking of supporting this never mind actually doing so.

[Livia]

I'm pleased. Obviously there needs to be safeguards in place, but I wouldn't let an animal suffer an excruciating death and so long as the person involved is clear and able to make the decision, I think it's a kindness to allow them to end their own life.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think it will pass though with a decreased majority which just shows why it's not a good idea imo. If people who supported it a couple of months ago no longer think it's the right thing or can see that it's been weakened already then how can you properly future-proof it with adequate safeguards

I agree 100%

Plus too, I already know 3 people personally who were given a 6 months prognosis.
Two have passed the 6 months period and one is coming up to a year in July.
Doctors too, don't get the prognosis right.
Also none of those 3 people support this bill.

Although they'd support those that want to, going to Dignitas in Switzerland and also not having relatives who accompanied them there then accused of any criminal activity.

[Liam-]

If we don’t afford those who are suffering while they die slow, painful deaths, then who are we as people? We give animals far more decency in their end days than people and that’s just wrong, I couldn’t care less about religious or ‘moral’ objections, a person suffering should be able to decide between themselves, their family and their doctors about how they want their lives to end and families should not be held under threat of imprisonment if they decide to help a loved one end their suffering in a peaceful manner surrounded by those they love, it’s barbaric

[arista]

The Vote went through
now off to house of lords

[The Slim Reaper]

I support assisted dying, but I don't support this bill.

The attacks on the poor and disabled, coupled with the failure of safeguarding them in this bill, means it could be a very dark attempt to thin out the population of those the state considers a burden on the public finances.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I support assisted dying, but I don't support this bill.

The attacks on the poor and disabled, coupled with the failure of safeguarding them in this bill, means it could be a very dark attempt to thin out the population of those the state considers a burden on the public finances.

Agree with this, while I support a bill for the terminally ill, I think this bill will be watered down over time and it will be abused for nefarious purposes

[arista]

Sadly the Old House of Lords
are not bothering to work today.........

So Monday

[Crimson Dynamo]

Murdo Fraser MSP



In just the last week, Parliament has voted to legalise the killing of unborn children up to
the point of birth, and to allow the assisted suicide of the frail and vulnerable.

Sad, sad times.

[arista]

BBCnewsHD
says it can take 4 years to come in.

So after a General Election.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Murdo Fraser MSP



In just the last week, Parliament has voted to legalise the killing of unborn children up to
the point of birth, and to allow the assisted suicide of the frail and vulnerable.

Sad, sad times.

Now that's not true, brother.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Now that's not true, brother.

They've decriminalized abortion...it's legal to get an abortion already....s9 what's not true..


What's the truth pal?

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I support assisted dying, but I don't support this bill.

The attacks on the poor and disabled, coupled with the failure of safeguarding them in this bill, means it could be a very dark attempt to thin out the population of those the state considers a burden on the public finances.

…when there is so little investment put into the NHS and health as well as cut backs in safeguarding…when you combine those together, it’s very concerning as to how this is going to be actioned with confidence from the public…

[bots]

The bill is going to become law, but i still think the lords will push it back so that amendements can be applied. It's up to those in parliament to get their act together and get the amendments added

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…when there is so little investment put into the NHS and health as well as cut backs in safeguarding…when you combine those together, it’s very concerning as to how this is going to be actioned with confidence from the public…

I totally agree Ammi.
I'm pleased the majority was heavily reduced although not enough.
However I see this taking a very slippery slope, with a lot of problems arising from it.

Let's see what the House of lords maybe does, this isn't a manifesto or government bill so they can send it back to the Commons.
Maybe they won't, however that's what I'm hoping for now.

I really don't like this particular bill at all.
It's NOT the way to really deal with such a serious and sensitive issue.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I totally agree Ammi.
I'm pleased the majority was heavily reduced although not enough.
However I see this taking a very slippery slope, with a lot of problems arising from it.

Let's see what the House of lords maybe does, this isn't a manifesto or government bill so they can send it back to the Commons.
Maybe they won't, however that's what I'm hoping for now.

I really don't like this particular bill at all.
It's NOT the way to really deal with such a serious and sensitive issue.

…I’m thinking about those who don’t have loved ones and what decisions will be made for them …we have no faith in our government/in our authorities…maybe less than in any point in time …and yet….its a scary thought….