[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences.

I do see the merit in this, absolutely, and I do think grouping T (particularly) with LGB confuses the matter for all. They are different, but the Trans community has already been an integral part of the gay community for historic reasons, right back to the very first pride riot and really LGBT is just made from a collection of people who were all persecuted for similar reasons despite the distinct differences between the identities.

And so while I understand the logic of "it's not the same, it shouldn't be grouped together" I also understand there is a 'strength in numbers' and particularly for historic reasons that was extremely vital for fighting for rights.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I do see the merit in this, absolutely, and I do think grouping T (particularly) with LGB confuses the matter for all. They are different, but the Trans community has already been an integral part of the gay community for historic reasons, right back to the very first pride riot and really LGBT is just made from a collection of people who were all persecuted for similar reasons despite the distinct differences between the identities.

And so while I understand the logic of "it's not the same, it shouldn't be grouped together" I also understand there is a 'strength in numbers' and particularly for historic reasons that was extremely vital for fighting for rights.

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

That's how I remember it also because of all the bitching done. It was when I learned about the topic of trans for the first time also.

We thought also then there were too many letters. If only we knew...

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

No I know, I'm just speaking more about the history of the group as people, rather than letters. The T was added later, but it was added because of their intertwined history with fighting for the rights of LGBT people.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

Indeed. It makes sense

[Alf]

Originally Posted by BBXX

LGBT people can also be bigots. Internalised homophobia is a thing, and some LGB folks are anti trans. Hope that helps.

Can you be a bigot? Are you a bigot? Have you ever been a bigot?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

Originally Posted by BBXX

No I know, I'm just speaking more about the history of the group as people, rather than letters. The T was added later, but it was added because of their intertwined history with fighting for the rights of LGBT people.

Some of the views/fights can be conflicting though depending on a persons beliefs and points of view. Same sex attraction has just been changed to same gender attraction without any real discussion (or any discussions I've seen anyway)

[Crimson Dynamo]

LGB Alliance @AllianceLGB

Congratulations to Linzi Smith and Fair Cop. Pride events which promote gender
identity ideology are not politically-neutral. If public bodies take part in these
events, they are siding with the destruction of women's rights, harm to young
people and the dismantling of lesbian, gay and bisexual communities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC activists at it again

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Linzi 🖤🤍 @RightNUFC

Dear @BBCNews can you stop saying I describe myself as a lesbian please.

I am a lesbian, and have been my entire adult life.

Many thanks.
Linzi Smith.

XOXO

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

Oh I thank you for pointing that out, you and LT actually.
I didn't pick that bit up.
I always appreciate being made fully aware of issues.

However I am aware of your last 3+ lines.
Not sure what can be done about that thinking however.
If anything even.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police Scotland ban uniformed officers from taking part in Pride march


No more of this silly nonsense

An LGBT+ march will be held on the streets of Glasgow today, but unlike previous years there will be no uniformed cops taking part.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...-banned-pride/