[Clockers]

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[Chuckyegg]

Originally posted by Clockers

I don't think you said enough mate, I also call eveyone ****ts, have called lezzas carpet munchers and more profanities than you can shake a stick at.

I say it to be funny and shocking but with no intent to be aggressive or mean like topspin.

I am far from homophobic, but I will take the p**s out of gays and straights and blacks and whites and brown and yellow and christians and muslims, and hindus and sikhs and budhist and catholics and right wings and left wings.

Only people you not heard me take the p**s out of are pikeys, cos I *****ing hate pikeys beyond belief.

ooh arn't you daring!!

i had you down as a total pikey

[anonycat]

ALL religions are only echos or reflections of the best and worst of human nature (and the culture of the civilization that conceived it).

Originally posted by Shasown

Yep but its not the religion that has caused it, simply the people usurping the religion that have corrupted the beliefs to be used in hate filled ways.

Some of the greater hate filled excesses of the last couple of centuries have been perpetrated on adherents of religions as opposed to being caused by adherents of any particualr religions.

True... but humanity spawned religions.
Religion only became the pacifier of fears, answerer of questions, justifier of wars, etc., because humanity bore fears that it needed to pacify, questions that it needed answered, bloodlust/territorialism/greed that made war desirable, etc.

And, in fact, the opposite of your statement is, -most often-, more accurate. -Most- people just take the best bits out of the religious texts and conveniently ignore or never even read the truly horrific parts. The christian bible, for example promotes rape and abduction as a war tactic and wiping out 'barbaric' civilizations (read: genocide). It justifies owning and beating slaves, denounces women as evil and stupid and dispensable, valuing them as mere property, denounces masturbation as wicked and dirty (*gasp* (O.O) Ohhhh noes!) and on and on and on...

I cannot speak as much, to the Qur'an, as I wasn't raised in a Muslim community, and I did not write a thesis on it. Though I do know, from research I've done in the past, that there are some objectionable (to say the least) things in there, as well.
Some is the same as above... sanctioned rape of captured female slaves, for example. It is just indicative of social norms, ideology, and law, at the times that these religious texts were conceived and written,... as well as, a very dark dismal side of human nature.

Wah, wah, wah....

[tintedshadow]

thats a well made point..im not arsed about going in depth right now but lets just get something crystal clear for those with the same mind frame as *************..from page 1 ive seen some contradictions from the lad,first rule of islam as with every religion is to accept diversity and not judge others..no matter how closely you follow religion atleast accept that religion is about YOUR relationship with the god,as appose to random profanity being thrown around lets just worry about ourselves and not judge noone...

[Clockers]

You know when you goto an Indian resturant, it not actually Indian.

India main religion is Hinduism and Hindus don't eat meat, so how can an Indian resturant be Indian if it is selling food with meat in it. These resturants are more than likely Bangladesh or Pakistani.

Actual Indian resturant would be Sakonis which is vegetrian all the way through with your sterotypical Hindu large family all cousins uncles aunties and grandpa raj get together.

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by Clockers
You know when you goto an Indian resturant, it not actually Indian.

India main religion is Hinduism and Hindus don't eat meat, so how can an Indian resturant be Indian if it is selling food with meat in it. These resturants are more than likely Bangladesh or Pakistani.

Actual Indian resturant would be Sakonis which is vegetrian all the way through with your sterotypical Hindu large family all cousins uncles aunties and grandpa raj get together.

bro some indians/hindus dont eat meat,some hindus do..some are true vegans who dont even touch fish,others do..plus you do get indian muslims too so whats the actual point your trying to make?

[doublewit]

Hira doesnt represent the muslim community.

Nor would the muslim community wish to be represented on a sho like BB.

Nor would they want to be represented by her.

If anything, Jermain Jackson was a good role model.

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by Clockers
I am not sure many of you people know this, but I am Muslim, but many people would never consider me to be one. I am more Muslim by name than nature and no one really batters an eyelid if I wanna get pisssed or have one night stand or even eat a bacon buttie, not forgetting the poker either.

At the same time, I consider myself so broadminded about certain things, like equal rights for all races genders and sexuality that I sometimes feel more Muslim than people who consider themselves to be strict followers of Islam.

I have allot of debates with Muslims regarding Islamic issues and we all have our own interpretations.

There are allot of girls in my ethnic community like Hira, westernised but still holding on to traditional beliefs. It common occurance, we are all not Quran bashing, fear mongering fanatics. Many Muslims just live their daily lives and not be concerned about other forms of Islam but their own.

So is Hira a strict Muslim girl, I would say "Hell Yeah!"

Sorry for the long essay, I could not shorten it.

I don't get how exactly is she a 'strict muslim girl'? I mean seriously as a muslim you wuld know that a husband would never ever ever let his wife go to a place like BB where there's alcohol and men! She would shame her family and her husband.
I can't stress this point enought.

[tintedshadow]

lol that doesnt mean shes not a strict muslim just because she is not bound by a ball and chain..your actually blurring the diffrence between culture and religion,religion does not dictate where she can and cant go,its narrow minded traditions that do so..

so yeah she is a strict muslim as she prays five times a day and perhaps does more than those who wish to say she is not a strict muslim...

[HELLIWONTGO]

Arguing about religion is very much like fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic!

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by doublewit
Hira doesnt represent the muslim community.

Nor would the muslim community wish to be represented on a sho like BB.

Nor would they want to be represented by her.

yes she does,and i have no reason to not want her to represent me... but yeah good point well made

[tintedshadow]

Originally posted by HELLIWONTGO
Arguing about religion is very much like fighting over deck chairs on the Titanic!

indeed but im hoping for more of a discussion rather than a heated arguement which descends in to chaos..doesnt hurt to expand horizons now and then.

[Clockers]

Originally posted by tintedshadow

bro some indians/hindus dont eat meat,some hindus do..some are true vegans who dont even touch fish,others do..plus you do get indian muslims too so whats the actual point your trying to make?

Well some countires are associated with a religon, like most of the middle east is associated with Islam and even though u get muslims, jews and chrisitan within India, the main religon is Hinduism. There are Hindus who eat meat, but I just think Indian resturants should be renamed to Bangaldesh. So when people say they fancy an Indian, they should say I fancy a Bangladesh.

Sorry for being awkward and sill.

[doublewit]

Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

[tinkerbell]

Originally posted by doublewit
Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

But she isn't Indian...

[Clockers]

Originally posted by doublewit
Talking about cooking. It would be interesting to see Hila cook for the HM's.

I nice Indian style meal. See how they react.

Pakistani meal mate, she not indian. It like having a German housemate thinking they would make frogs legs instead of a bratwurst.

[doublewit]

Originally posted by Clockers

Pakistani meal mate, she not indian. It like having a German housemate thinking they would make frogs legs instead of a bratwurst.

I read your post and understand..lol. I heard too that it was the Bangladeshi community that dominated the 'Indian' takeaway' scene.

However the name 'Indian' has stuck and it wouldnt be the same if it was changed. The indiginous British folk wouldnt want to change it either. They would want 'Indian' even if it isnt. lol

[Chuckyegg]

Wonder what Sree_eers would say about all this.

[Robertocarlo]

There are lots of Jews, usually Liberal or Reform Jews, who east pork and don't follow the Kosher rules so I guess there must be Muslims who do the same. The Jews I know would still consider themselves Jewish but living in the 21st century and not bound up by 3,000 rules.

I'm a Christian and believe fully in rights for all regardless including Gays as Priests etc. Then there are many Christians who believe the opoosite. We would still call ourselves Christians but again living in the 21st century rather than in the Old Testament.