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Old 15-10-2009, 12:15 PM #151
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No its extremist groups themselves (of any religion/race) that do all the damage in the world. No particular race or religion.
Yes but i'm talking about the UK and the extremist Muslims, not the rest...
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Yes but i'm talking about the UK and the extremist Muslims, not the rest...
Yes but what I object too is you making it out to be a muslim thing. "An Islamic plague!" Cant you see how damaging that kind of language is, its important to distinguish between ordianary muslims and those that hold extremist views, or we're just stirring up more hatred
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Yes but what I object too is you making it out to be a muslim thing. "An Islamic plague!" Cant you see how damaging that kind of language is, its important to distinguish between ordianary muslims and those that hold extremist views, or we're just stirring up more hatred
Yes I know, but it's not like ordinary Muslims make much effort to adapt to our society either. There is massive Muslims areas in big cities. The Sikhs and Hindu's did it, why can't they?
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Sikhs and Hindus probably feel less maginalised in the world as a whole I would imagine. Maginalised groups have a tendency to develop more extreme elements. You have to look at the history between Islam and the west to understand how some people have adopted such extreme stances. Similar thing happened with Jewish people throughout history...A more imformative programme was Islam and the West and the thing on C4 the other night comparing Islamic Terror groups with Jewish groups in the 19th century. Not just picking on muslims but trying to understand how things got to be like this and how in/out group mentality makes things worse
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Sikhs and Hindus probably feel less maginalised in the world as a whole I would imagine. Maginalised groups have a tendency to develop more extreme elements. Same thing happened with Jewish people throughout history...
If Muslims made more of an effort, and interacted with Society, then maybe society would understand. All society see's is the Ralleys and Riots.
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If Muslims made more of an effort, and interacted with Society, then maybe society would understand. All society see's is the Ralleys and Riots.
And if we made more of an effort to understand instead of making the situation worse....we're arent isloated in all of this
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Muslims need to stop this in the UK, also the community leaders need to talk with the youth and tell them not to react also...
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They say they're not racist but their chants towards muslims are.

I'm all for a group coming together against Islamic extremism and Extremist thought but there is a difference between a muslim and an extreme muslim.

They should, if they are really serious about this, drop the mob type mentality and nationalist behaviour and focus on politically changing the country so that we're not made to struggle and waste money and time, importantly time on stupid pandering to extremist thought.

We can't forget, we are a part of Europe and soon will be Europe so whether we like it or not, with the vast number of Muslims that will make up Europe - we should focus on working with muslims who want progression and modernisation and then, we can work with them against the extremists.

This way - these guys are just as bad as the extremists. Anger, Aggression doesn't help anybody.
I've searched the thread for some sense and thank you for sharing some
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And if we made more of an effort to understand instead of making the situation worse....we're arent isloated in all of this
Why should we? It is them who need to adapt to out Society...
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Why should we? It is them who need to adapt to out Society...
"our society" ohhh dear
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"our society" ohhh dear
Who's Society is it then? Maybe a better word would be our culture then, we do have one too you know!
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Who's Society is it then? Maybe a better word would be our culture then, we do have one too you know!
Yeh a shared one with all the people of the UK, culture and society develop...we all develop it together...some groups pull against it though trying to hold on to something that belongs in the past!
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Big muslim groups like this are bringing racism upon themselves. England has and always will be a mostly christian country, I don't see why they cannot grasp this... if you don't like it then there are countries that do everything the muslim way. Go there.


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Yeh a shared one with all the people of the UK, culture and society develop...we all develop it together...some groups pull against it though trying to hold on to something that belongs in the past!
They have not made an effort with that either. They have not adapted to our culture, they have imposed theirs...
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They have not made an effort with that either. They have not adapted to our culture, they have imposed theirs...
who? Who has imposed theirs? lol Do you feel imposed upon?
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who? Who has imposed theirs? lol Do you feel imposed upon?
Well the whole Sharia law thing. What do you think about that?
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Well the whole Sharia law thing. What do you think about that?
What about it? Is it law? no...some of it does make sense, they do a lot of work to help keep families together etc, some of it is **** especially the extreme twisted laws in Saudi...Will we be living under Sharia law in the future? No so why ****in waste time getting on your high horse about it? Is there things we can learn from it? maybe
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What about it? Is it law? no...some of it does make sense, they do a lot of work to help keep families together etc, some of it is **** especially the extreme twisted laws in Saudi...Will we be living under Sharia law in the future? No so why ****in waste time getting on your high horse about it? Is there things we can learn from it? maybe
I really don't think so. Why do we need it here, is British law not good enough for them?
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I really don't think so. Why do we need it here, is British law not good enough for them?
We dont need it here and its a minority of "extremists" that are calling for it. We are a secular society, and most Muslims are happy with law and religion being separate. Its not gonna happen, stop reading the Daily hate Mail and getting your knickers in a twist
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We dont need it here and its a minority of "extremists" that are calling for it. We are a secular society, and most Muslims are happy with law and religion being separate. Its not gonna happen, stop reading the Daily hate Mail and getting your knickers in a twist
Ahhh the old Daily Mail speech lol Well you live in your own little bubble, good luck with that.
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hehe Its the Mail readers that are living in their own black bubble of hate!
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hehe Its the Mail readers that are living in their own black bubble of hate!
So what are you actual views on Islam in Britian?
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So what are you actual views on Islam in Britian?
Islam or Islamic extremism?
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Islam or Islamic extremism?
Both...
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I think you have to look at the historical reasons for why there are problems between Islam and the West to help us understand how best to tackle the problem and hating on them will get us nowhere. I think most muslim people are just trying to get by like you
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