[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

See, that to me is just another reason not to follow the Bible. I don't like the sound of a God who thinks a murderer is ok as long as he believes in him and asks for forgivness (quite vain actually) rather than a decent good person who doesn't believe in him or follow a book that his buddies wrote about him but other than that has always been good and treats others with respect

That is because you have not studied it and do not know about judgement. Present actions have eternal consequences


2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is because you have not studied it and do not know about judgement. Present actions have eternal consequences


2 Corinthians 5:10

For we must all appear before the judgement seat of Christ, so that each one may be recompensed for his deeds in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

How do you know what I have or have not studied? I was born a Catholic, went to a catholic school where we did religion class everyday, I was baptised, made my communion and confirmation but decided that I didn't buy it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

How do you know what I have or have not studied? I was born a Catholic, went to a catholic school where we did religion class everyday, I was baptised, made my communion and confirmation but decided that I didn't buy it!

because you would have known about judgement?


The God that most people don't believe in does not exist!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

because you would have known about judgement?


The God that most people don't believe in does not exist!

But you would not answer my question, I asked you Do you think I will go to hell because I don't believe in God and you quoted me a line from the Bible. I'm asking you, what do you think?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

But you would not answer my question, I asked you Do you think I will go to hell because I don't believe in God and you quoted me a line from the Bible. I'm asking you, what do you think?

That would naturally depend on what you mean by Hell, you may be thinking of Waterstones for all I know.

You say "I don't read or follow the Bible" so it is difficult to try and explain Biblical matters and opinions I hold about them. Ultimately your scepticism will be irrational to me as your opinions will come from unusual places.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That would naturally depend on what you mean by Hell, you may be thinking of Waterstones for all I know.

You say "I don't read or follow the Bible" so it is difficult to try and explain Biblical matters and opinions I hold about them. Ultimately your scepticism will be irrational to me as your opinions will come from unusual places.

Again avoiding the question! Hell as in the opposite to Heavan is what I mean.

And why start a debate about Jesus If you expect only people who follow the Bible to debate with you about it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Again avoiding the question! Hell as in the opposite to Heavan is what I mean.

And why start a debate about Jesus If you expect only people who follow the Bible to debate with you about it?

It is not so much avoiding the question as seeing where the question is being deliberately led.

The answer to your question is that those who do not recognise Jesus as their saviour will die a spiritual death (eternal separation from God). God has warned us in the Bible that it is appointed for men to die once, then judgement (Heb. 9:27). After death, you will be judged.

Eternity is a long time to be wrong, especially about Jesus.

[Prole]

It always amazes me that people can quote a book that's thousands of years old, and one that is, in any case, not complete. The church CHOSE which books were going in and which weren't. They chose them so that only those that worked with their own ideas were included.

The Christian church has killed more women over the years than childbirth - from murdering "witches" (who were always women, incidentally, any man accused of witchcraft was thought to be under the influence of a women) to refusing women contraception, even in areas of Africa and Asia that are rife with AIDS.

Women are nothing in the eyes of patriarchal religions. Are we still sucking up their Boys' Club bullshit after alllllllllllll this time?