[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

That was LT. But I can have it both ways. Comaparing cafes with Mosques is just ridiculous, come on? There is no logic in it, it was a random stab at the British. And it is not as though they build them in the old town parts of Spain is it? They are in the tourist areas. Mosques are built wherever the Muslims see fit.

What Im comparing Inone is that there are elements of British culture that are inflicted on people abroad, that are not that appealing but noone gets their knickers in a twist about that, theres no hysterical ramblings about them! And thats not a stab at British culture as most of us think its embarassing, most of us think blind prejudice against other groups such as muslims is embarassing too! Thats what I love about the British

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Wer'e not talking about history - every religion/culture has it skeletons in closets - we are talking now. Most religions/cultures have moved with the times to some extent - and few religions in this day and age still stone women to death.

Of course there are extremists in every religion - but the Muslim religion has, by far, a much greater number - the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are evidence of that.

And most people who choose to live in another country - assimilate into the culture of that country and adopt its way of life. That is respectful. Do you really think that any woman, including western women, could go to Muslim countries like Saudi or Afganistan and walk around freely and safely in clothing that did not cover them in the way the Muslim religion dictates. We are expected to show respect and cover up in their country - so why do they not show the same respect for our codes of dress - and insist on wearing clothing (the burkha) that does not fit in with our way of life and causes much controversy.

Switzerland has made it perfectly clear that Muslims are welcome in Switzerland as long as they are prepared to assimilate into Swiss society - a perfectly reasonable request.

Right so muslims born in Britain have no right to celebrate their culture in the country they were born in? What exactly should they and shouldnt they be allowed to do? And how is your life affected by it really? Im sure you get outraged everytime you pick up the Daily Mail (cant be good for you blood pressure!), but in reality is your life affected by others having cultural and religious freedom? Is you getting on with your cultural business affected?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

What Im comparing Inone is that there are elements of British culture that are inflicted on people abroad, that are not that appealing but noone gets their knickers in a twist about that, theres no hysterical ramblings about them! And thats not a stab at British culture as most of us think its embarassing, most of us think blind prejudice against other groups such as muslims is embarassing too! Thats what I love about the British

No one gets their knickers in a twist, in your example, because they are too busy counting the money coming in..

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No one gets their knickers in a twist, in your example, because they are too busy counting the money coming in..

Ok so no problem with ex pat communities abroad then?...just for the record

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Dont make the exception, be the rule. Saudi Arabia is extreme, compared to the rest of the muslim world, as I pointed out about the Churches in Senegal, but here are more for you:

Algeria


Bahrein


Bangladesh




Imdonesia


Iran


Kuwait


Jordan


Kuwait


Lybya


Morocco


Pakistan


Syria


Turkey


United Arab Emirates



I could go on. BUt as you can see, they have big beautiful churches, with no restrictions, and they an built as many as they deem necessary in these muslim countries.
No matter how you spin it, that decision is wrong, and is definitely oression. Thankfully, most of the rest of the world have condemn the referendum, including France, and all the majors western countries. ONly a minority seem to agree, with it, so there is hope.

And BTW, most of the muslims in the world do think that its ridiculous, Saudi Arabia, asks the catholic church to acknowledge Mohamed as a prophet, as their ondition to allow, buliding of churches. The Christians, dont believe in Mohamed, so its stupid to ask them to do so.
Again dont let one intolerant nation, make you become intolerant like they are. If so, youre no better than the Saudis.

They wont like facts Wildcat! spoils their hysterical view of things...they wont choose to argue against these points...it'll revert back to deflection and arguing minor points...just like they wont argue against the fact that most muslims do compromise and work with other faiths in this country!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

What Im comparing Inone is that there are elements of British culture that are inflicted on people abroad, that are not that appealing but noone gets their knickers in a twist about that, theres no hysterical ramblings about them! And thats not a stab at British culture as most of us think its embarassing, most of us think blind prejudice against other groups such as muslims is embarassing too! Thats what I love about the British

Well i'm not being prejudice against anything. Most of what I talk about has already happened anyway. But like I said, they have the cafes in the tourist areas which relies on the British to spend. I know you are all about equality and that, but you are really bias. You don't seem to see anyone else's point of view, and anything said about Islam is apprently racist??? At the end of the say the Swiss had the final say, so there is no debate, it's not going to change.

[NettoSuperstar!]

You Wombai and Trumpet are constantly stating that muslims are taking over, British culture is threatened, that they dont make concessions, that they are largely fanatical etc when evidence points to the fact theyre not generally at all. Thats prejuidice. And you slag off muslim countries that are religiously intolerant (ignore the fact that most muslim countries are not) and then want us to be like that??? Thank god most of us Brits are not so reactionary and hysterical as the Swiss.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

You Wombai and Trumpet are constantly stating that muslims are taking over, British culture is threatened, that they dont make concessions, that they are largely fanatical etc when evidence points to the fact theyre not generally at all. Thats prejuidice. And you slag off muslim countries that are religiously intolerant (ignore the fact that most muslim countries are not) and then want us to be like that??? Thank god most of us Brits are not so reactionary and hysterical as the Swiss.

Well you don't speak for 'most' really do you. We all have different views yet you merge the 3 of ours together. Obviously they are not all largely fanatical, but the ones that are make a big impact. The British culture is not what it used to be. The Brits fault as well by the way!! And the only Muslim country I have seen slagged off is Saudi Arabia, which is brutal to say the least.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well you don't speak for 'most' really do you. We all have different views yet you merge the 3 of ours together. Obviously they are not all largely fanatical, but the ones that are make a big impact. The British culture is not what it used to be. The Brits fault as well by the way!! And the only Muslim country I have seen slagged off is Saudi Arabia, which is brutal to say the least.

Yeh but you use Saudi Arabia to imply that muslim countries are like that and that they are like that because of the religion, not true. Then you use it as an example of why we should take a leaf out of their book and do the same. hypocritical. You 3 say pretty much the same things, and its not that I wont accept your opinion, I wont accept ignorance and lies

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4137990.stm most Brits back multiculturalism

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but you use Saudi Arabia to imply that muslim countries are like that and that they are like that because of the religion, not true. Then you use it as an example of why we should take a leaf out of their book and do the same. hypocritical. You 3 say pretty much the same things, and its not that I wont accept your opinion, I wont accept ignorance and lies

Well seen as Saudi is under Sharia law it is to do with Religion, so that is not a lie. Who is implying anything??? You putting words into my mouth. And what would I have to gain by lying?
So what does it mean to be British to you then Netto?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well seen as Saudi is under Sharia law it is to do with Religion, so that is not a lie. Who is implying anything??? You putting words into my mouth. And what would I have to gain by lying?
So what does it mean to be British to you then Netto?

To me being British is about tolerance, being educated, wanting to work towards a better society, desire to take care of the most vunerable, good sense of humour, culturally rich and diverse and open to new experiences and constantly developing as people and as a society...and you?

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

To me being British is about tolerance, being educated, wanting to work towards a better society, desire to take care of the most vunerable, good sense of humour, culturally rich and diverse and open to new experiences a nd developing as people and as a society...and you?

Living peacefully, helping people in need, welcoming people and other cultures as long as they are greatful. Sense of community, being proud of who you are.

Most of the 1st generation immigrants were great like in the 50's 60's and 70's and stuff, they came for a better life and did well in Britian. It is the 2nd and 3rd Generation who seemed to have a problem. And the new influx if immigrants do not have the same work values as their previous generations did in the 70's ect. Apart from the Polish, most seem to want whatever they can get. There was a guy a who was born in Sri Lanka, has lived here for 18 years and owned his own post office. He refused to serve anyone who did not speak English, and he was driven out of his home. If only they all had the same mentality as him. Do you agree they should be able to speak English if they are here?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Living peacefully, helping people in need, welcoming people and other cultures as long as they are greatful. Sense of community, being proud of who you are.

Most of the 1st generation immigrants were great like in the 50's 60's and 70's and stuff, they came for a better life and did well in Britian. It is the 2nd and 3rd Generation who seemed to have a problem. And the new influx if immigrants do not have the same work values as their previous generations did in the 70's ect. Apart from the Polish, most seem to want whatever they can get. There was a guy a who was born in Sri Lanka, has lived here for 18 years and owned his own post office. He refused to serve anyone who did not speak English, and he was driven out of his home. If only they all had the same mentality as him. Do you agree they should be able to speak English if they are here?

Most immigrants come here to work to correct you there, and generally do the jobs we dont want to...it would be silly not to learn the language and most people who come here do. Some Brits go abroad and dont learn the langauge, infact most Brits on holiday wont speak the language of the country theyre in...it cuts both ways...none of us as groups are perfect but theres no one group that is better than any other

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Most immigrants come here to work to correct you there, and generally do the jobs we dont want to...it would be silly not to learn the language and most people who come here do. Some Brits go abroad and dont learn the langauge, infact most Brits on holiday wont speak the language of the country theyre in...it cuts both ways

Brits don't mass immigrate anywhere though do they. Why you always comparing it to how bad the Brits are?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Brits don't mass immigrate anywhere though do they. Why you always comparing it to how bad the Brits are?

because we are fortunate to live in a democratic and prosperous society, others are not so fortunate. Im saying we are not perfect as a group of people just like everyone else

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

because we are fortunate to live in a democratic and prosperous society, others are not so fortunate. Im saying we are not perfect as a group of people just like everyone else

Yes but it almost seems you have a stereotypical view of loud lautish racist Brits

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Right so muslims born in Britain have no right to celebrate their culture in the country they were born in? What exactly should they and shouldnt they be allowed to do? And how is your life affected by it really? Im sure you get outraged everytime you pick up the Daily Mail (cant be good for you blood pressure!), but in reality is your life affected by others having cultural and religious freedom? Is you getting on with your cultural business affected?

The Daily Mail is only one of the Papers doing this News Story.

It was on the Wright Stuff this morning, a Second time.
They confirned Italy may do the same Vote.



Justice.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes but it almost seems you have a stereotypical view of loud lautish racist Brits

I dont, like I said most Brits arent like that

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

The Daily Mail is only one of the Papers doing this News Story.

It was on the Wright Stuff this morning, a Second time.
They confirned Italy may do the same Vote.



Justice.

Good old Daily Mail eh Arista lol...Well Italy has a history of fascism

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Good old Daily Mail eh Arista lol...Well Italy has a history of fascism

Yes Italy does
but it shows that giving the Public a Vote
is the Way Forward.


Sign Of The Times.

[andyman]

Don't worry Arista, we will get them muslims..



..Now watch this drive.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Italy does
but it shows that giving the Public a Vote
is the Way Forward.


Sign Of The Times.

No Arista

Keep on keepin on

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

because we are fortunate to live in a democratic and prosperous society, others are not so fortunate. Im saying we are not perfect as a group of people just like everyone else

YES!!! Because the British made it that way! British culture allowed democracy and economic growth. A lot of British have been and many still are religious - but they haven't let religous beliefs and superstition hold them back and prevent economic progression.

The Muslim religion and culture created the dictorial and impoverished societies that they left in the first place.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Right so muslims born in Britain have no right to celebrate their culture in the country they were born in? What exactly should they and shouldnt they be allowed to do? And how is your life affected by it really? Im sure you get outraged everytime you pick up the Daily Mail (cant be good for you blood pressure!), but in reality is your life affected by others having cultural and religious freedom? Is you getting on with your cultural business affected?

Of course they can celebrate their culture - just not as publicly as they would like - why do they feel the need to 'shout it from the rooftops' all the time.

And as a nurse - I know all about blood pressure - and can assure you mine is fine!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I dont, like I said most Brits arent like that

Well, you seem to think it is only me wombai LT and arista that share these views. Well it is not, and it's not a minoirty either. You can bounce 'racism' about all you like, but all we do is tell it how we see it.