[Shasown]

Originally Posted by cupid stunt

Lock jack straw up n all the corrupt bastard he even looks like demon headmaster remember dat ?

Yep you are right, he does, lock him up

[bananarama]

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by bananarama

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......

Yes and bring back the birch for naughty youths, and the scolds bridle for nagging women. Why not cut the cost of running prisons and flog people instead?

[cupid stunt]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yep you are right, he does, lock him up

lol

[Mrluvaluva]

JAMES Bulger's killer Jon Venables was locked back up amid allegations that he was hoarding child pornography rated only one category below Britain's most serious.

Cops seized a laptop after a search at the home of the 27-year-old, who was freed with a new identity after serving time for the murder of James.

Officers who examined the computer allegedly discovered sickening images rated at Category Four on an official legal scale of one to five.

The involvement of police who conducted the search triggered an alert which notified one of the ten officials aware who he really was.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2882769/Jon-Venables-locked-back-up-amid-allegations-he-was-hoarding-child-porn.html#ixzz0hacrqxX3

[Niamh.]

The problem with rehabilitating people who do things as sick as Venables and Thompson did is you don't actually know if that rehabilitation has worked until you send them back into society and I just don't think taking that chance and putting even one innocent persons life in danger is worth any amount of successful rehabilitations.

[InOne]

Yeah, I mean, he is was 'rehabilitated' in the system as a kid, and still ended up a paedophile, then I think he should just be locked up for life.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yeah, I mean, he is was 'rehabilitated' in the system as a kid, and still ended up a paedophile, then I think he should just be locked up for life.

absolutely, I mean I can see where people are coming from when they say "it wasn't his fault, It was cause he was abused" or whatever the circumstances that led to him being a pedophile were but though I understand that this might be true, I still think that protecting innocent people (especially children) is more important than rehabilitation that may or may not work.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

absolutely, I mean I can see where people are coming from when they say "it wasn't his fault, It was cause he was abused" or whatever the circumstances that led to him being a pedophile were but though I understand that this might be true, I still think that protecting innocent people (especially children) is more important than rehabilitation that may or may not work.

There is no known cause for paedophilia, for every paedophile that has been abused as a child you'll find one that hasn't.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

There is no known cause for paedophilia, for every paedophile that has been abused as a child you'll find one that hasn't.

Alot of pedophiles were abused as kids themselves though, I'm not making excuses for them btw, I personally think that no pedophiles should ever be allowed back into society, whatever their reasons for being pedophiles are. Like I said it's just not worth risking a childs life being destroyed.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Alot of pedophiles were abused as kids themselves though, I'm not making excuses for them btw, I personally think that no pedophiles should ever be allowed back into society, whatever their reasons for being pedophiles are. Like I said it's just not worth risking a childs life being destroyed.

I know plenty are, but that is why people should be aware that not all of them were abused. They are your doctors, your priests, you family, they could be anywhere. The most scary ones are not the weirdos, hanging round in streets corners, they are the friendly men, who are supposed to do a 'duty' to society. And even more scary, but more rare, are the women who do it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

I know plenty are, but that is why people should be aware that not all of them were abused. They are your doctors, your priests, you family, they could be anywhere. The most scary ones are not the weirdos, hanging round in streets corners, they are the friendly men, who are supposed to do a 'duty' to society. And even more scary, but more rare, are the women who do it.

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't for one minute suggesting that these were the only people who were pedophiles, I was simply saying that whatever the reasons for them being that way, none of them should be allowed back into our society.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah, you're right, I wasn't for one minute suggesting that these were the only people who were pedophiles, I was simply saying that whatever the reasons for them being that way, none of them should be allowed back into our society.

Indeed, the sad fact is alot probably don't get caught until it's too late. Or sometimes you hear horrific cases of prolonged abuse.

[Shasown]

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bananarama

What a crazy justice system we have evolved into.........Spend vast amounts of money and man hours protecting a low life scum bag while at the same time turning sick people away from life saving drug treatments.........

Both of the killers should have been hanged at the age of 18......

Hanging is not yet Law.



It Is Time For Change.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Shasown

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

The general 'mob' is very very fickle as we well know.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

But there will be some do gooder who takes his side and insist we are breaching his human rights.... Pushing it all the way to Europe again in order simply to make themselves a reputation and lot of money.

I wonder if they would be so keen on ensuring his human rights if he had to live with them and their children, or god forbid it had of been their child.

Yeah, that's what pisses me off. It's the human rights of our children who we should be protecting not a pedophiles. As far as I'm concerned someone who violates a child, loses all rights.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yeah, that's what pisses me off. It's the human rights of our children who we should be protecting not a pedophiles. As far as I'm concerned someone who violates a child, loses all rights.

Only until SuperCherie and company gets on their case.

[arista]

Jack Straw is speaking on Venables
in Parliament now
but saying bugger all,
nothing new.

[cupid stunt]

String jack straw up n all hes a corrupt bastard

[Harry!]

I watched the Jack Straw debate live. They will not say what John V did intill he has a trial or else the trial will not be a fair trial (Not that the trial will be fair anyway).

[Mrluvaluva]

Cocky Jon Venables lords it in jail.

The arrogant killer of James Bulger is refusing to keep a low profile back in jail – and keeps telling warders he will be “free soon”.

Jon Venables is acting as if he is ­untouchable and revelling in his notoriety for murdering the two-year-old.

He has rejected treatment with a sex offenders’ programme, despite ­allegedly possessing child porn – sneering that he will not be inside long enough to complete it.

And he is defying threats by inmates who rumbled the secret new identity he was given on his release. He is getting preferential treatment to foil revenge attacks and brags: “I can take all the abuse.”

Sources told the Mirror: “Venables is now walking around prison as if he owns the place.”

The child killer, who said he gave up cocaine at ­Christmas, still allegedly insists on associating with drug dealers and users on his wing.

Yet he refuses to co-operate with jail bosses’ repeated requests for voluntary drug-testing and educational courses. He told one officer: “I don’t want any courses that take long as I’ll be out sooner rather than later.”

One source said: “He has an inflated sense of his own importance. He thinks he’s better than other lags and ignores all advice to keep his head down.

“And he refuses to take part in anger management and sex offender courses, even though they’ve being identified as crucial to his rehabilitation.”

The source said Venables, 27, received several threats after being recognised, but refuses to back down. “He is with drug culture people most of the time, instead of keeping a low profile as he was advised,” said the insider.

“But it may be to protect himself from attacks. Venables did say one inmate recognised him from his previous time behind bars. He tells other prisoners he can handle all the abuse and threats because he’s used to it and he hasn’t reported any problems to staff.”

The murderer’s cocky attitude will anger James’s parents. The toddler’s mutilated body was found on a rail line after Venables and Robert Thompson, both then 10, were filmed on CCTV abducting him from a shopping centre at Bootle, Merseyside, in 1993.

His killers got new IDs when they were freed in 2001.

Venables was recalled on his murder licence for being found with indecent images of children on February 22.

He is identified as a “high risk” to youngsters.

James’s dad Ralph Bulger, 43, called the Government’s refusal to say why ­Venables is back behind bars for breach of his parole a “kick in the teeth”.

Mum Denise Fergus branded the authorities as “callous and insensitive”.


Mirror

[InOne]

http://www.dspdprogramme.gov.uk/useful_information.html

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Cocky Jon Venables lords it in jail. (Snip)

Venables was recalled on his murder licence for being found with indecent images of children on February 22.

He is identified as a “high risk” to youngsters.

James’s dad Ralph Bulger, 43, called the Government’s refusal to say why *Venables is back behind bars for breach of his parole a “kick in the teeth”.

Mum Denise Fergus branded the authorities as “callous and insensitive”.


Mirror

Yeah its nice to hear he isnt too bothered about his life at the moment. Amusing that the mirror had this story up within a couple of days of them also announcing they had another exclusive on the fact he had been moved within the prison system. More bent screws? Somehow I think its just the Mirror rehashing the same old info as it already had in order to up its circulation.

If there is any truth in it, if he thinks he is in for an easy ride inside he is mistaken, other prisoners will want to lets say have a word in his shell like about his crimes, his supposed celebrity/notoriety and his belief he will be let out again fairly quickly.

Whilst the prison service are good at protecting people, they arent infallible they have to be on the ball 24/7, they have to be lucky all the time, whereas the convicts who will want to impose some sort of retribution for his crimes only have to get lucky once.

I am surprised the mirror didnt report their sources as saying something along the lines of "dont worry he will get his..."

[Mrluvaluva]

James Bulger's killer Jon Venables could stay in jail for up to a year - even if he is not convicted of any alleged new offences, it has been claimed.

Venables, who was found guilty along with Robert Thompson of murdering the toddler on Merseyside in 1993, was recalled to prison last month.

The Parole Board confirmed it has received papers relating to the recall from the Ministry of Justice and will decide whether the killer, now 27, should remain behind bars.

But that decision - which will be made by a three-person panel - could take as long as a year.

Sky News' Jane Dougall said: "The panel needs to be convened, the police need to finish their investigation and Venables may need a further identity because his cover has been compromised.

"Under new rules, the parents of James Bulger could also read a victim impact statement to the Parole Board.

"Denise Fergus (James' mother) has been adamant that neither of her son's killers should ever have been released."

Legal expert Ian Caplin told Sky News the Parole Board was "sitting as a kind of court".

"Given the history of Venables, the Parole Board will look very carefully at the medical evidence of the risk of re-releasing him to the public," he said.

"Venables will be able to make written and oral representations during the proceedings - it won't just be decided in the normal course of a few weeks."

In a statement, the Parole Board said it "will now start the process of reviewing this case".

It added: "We are not able to set a timescale on the review - but will confirm when it has been concluded."

Justice Secretary Jack Straw has refused to elaborate on Venables' alleged new offences except to confirm they were "extremely serious allegations".

According to reports, Venables - who was 10 when he beat toddler James to death in Bootle - was being investigated by police over claims he viewed child pornography.
The Parole Board hearing is separate to the police probe.

Venables and Thompson were released with secret identities in 2001 having served eight years.

They are on life licence, meaning they can be brought back to prison at any time if they re-offend or if they are thought to pose a threat to the public.


SKY