[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That is the point "all have sinned"

even you.

no, no that's not answering my question LT.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

no, no that's not answering my question LT.

then you asked the wrong question. all have sinned. fact.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then you asked the wrong question. all have sinned. fact.

I asked the question that I wanted to ask not the one you wanted me to ask. Is it or is it not wrong in Gods eyes to be Gay?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I asked the question that I wanted to ask not the one you wanted me to ask. Is it or is it not wrong in Gods eyes to be Gay?

Christians today (most) would no more be interested in what a man or woman does in their bedroom than they would in their bank account. The unofficial line is love the person not the act, and as i have said before that would be most folks line too.

There are bits of the Bible that talk about unnatural lusts and debauchery and so forth but you dont want me quoting Scripture do you (as it tends to be taken out of context and so forth)?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Christians today (most) would no more be interested in what a man or woman does in their bedroom than they would in their bank account. The unofficial line is love the person not the act, and as i have said before that would be most folks line too.

There are bits of the Bible that talk about unnatural lusts and debauchery and so forth but you dont want me quoting Scripture do you (as it tends to be taken out of context and so forth)?

yeah, I do hear what you're saying and that makes more sense, but you really shouldn't be defending people like this guy and the B&B couple cos It's those people who are giving religion the bad name and make people think that you all hate Gays.

also, like I said before the bible wasn't written by God, it was written by men, so who told them that "unnatural lusts and debauchery" was wrong in Gods eyes?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yeah, I do hear what you're saying and that makes more sense, but you really shouldn't be defending people like this guy and the B&B couple cos It's those people who are giving religion the bad name and make people think that you all hate Gays.

also, like I said before the bible wasn't written by God, it was written by men, so who told them that "unnatural lusts and debauchery" was wrong in Gods eyes?

2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

You may beg to differ but as a Christian I am probably going to go with the Bible on this one and on what I have read.

I am defending these people not so much because of who they represent but on behalf of common sense and anti-hysteria.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

2 Timothy 3:16-17, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

You may beg to differ but as a Christian I am probably going to go with the Bible on this one and on what I have read.

I am defending these people not so much because of who they represent but on behalf of common sense and anti-hysteria.

Who is Timothy and why should I believe him?

But in defending these people you are enforcing their views and strengthening the notion that it is what christians believe

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am defending these people not so much because of who they represent but on behalf of common sense and anti-hysteria.

I have to agree with you there, however, he has plead guilty, therefore there is no comeback, he cant appeal the sentence now either, it was a summary court with summary punishment. He can only appeal the decision if there was a procedural error, as it was "how do you plead- guilty your honour" its extremely unlikely there was a procedural error.

Because the sentence stands, it can be used as a basis to set the next line at which to chip away more of the basic human rights we collectively have.

If matey had plead not guilty and waited it probably would have been thrown out by the PF staff when all the prosecution paperwork was complete, if not a solicitor could have probably argued the charge out during the interim diet(s) but chances are if it had gone to a trial diet it would have been thrown out before the prosecution completed its case. (Diet is simply the term used for court hearing up here).

As it was only for a breach of the peace chances are he could have gone home and plead by post. They wouldnt have been bail restrictions except not to approach prosecution witnesses, I think thats why he plead in case bail required him to stay in Scotland, then again a good solicitor would have accepted the conditions to get him free then lodge an appeal agaisnt the restriction.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

then you asked the wrong question. all have sinned. fact.

I agree, actually. With that in mind it's funny how many fundamentalist sorts have a hard on for bumming the gays all the time in particular.

I mean everyone has sinned, as you say.

It's never just because they don't ... like ... gays, is it?

I mean, that's crazy .

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

I agree, actually. With that in mind it's funny how many fundamentalist sorts have a hard on for bumming the gays all the time in particular.

I mean everyone has sinned, as you say.

It's never just because they don't ... like ... gays, is it?

I mean, that's crazy .

equally "the gays" have a "hard off" for the church as they think it is anti gay, it is not, but then why ruin a temper tantrum?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

equally "the gays" have a "hard off" for the church as they think it is anti gay, it is not, but then why ruin a temper tantrum?

Why are you putting 'the gays' in inver -

Oh yeah, your one of them people who think homosexual people don't actually exist. How silly of me.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Why are you putting 'the gays' in inver -

Oh yeah, your one of them people who think homosexual people don't actually exist. How silly of me.

no, i just find calling a group of people or a person by their personal sexual proclivity a bit weird.