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Originally Posted by Shasown

Aid may be going in but it is an insufficient amount, the UN states its about 25% of what is actually needed to sustain the Palestinian people. Thats why food etc is smuggled in from Egypt in tunnels.

I do agree that backing to Hamas should be stopped but a blockade that slowly starves an entire people is wrong. If you look back and understand why Hamas was voted into power you will see Israel were the root cause.

And this is the part where we start saying 'get real' and this just means being realistic.
Not trying to contrive statistics or make these annoying 'school debate tactic' types of arguments.

Just as bad is this pretentious, careful, orchestrated international political posturing where everyone must side-step and brace their language into prepared careful language.

Realistically we all know what is going on here. IF we simply want to get food, medicine and shelter to the non-militant working people in Palestine it could happen tomorrow if not for the militant 'hamas' and others who are most deliberately using the suffering and need to work a way to also smuggle terrorists and weapons into and onto Israel.
We know this.
Lets not all walk around pretending we don't know the obvious big picture and game here.

This is what really annoys me more than anything is where the whole world has to pretend this AID ship is a legitimate thing only to help the poor people in Palestine.
Of course its not. We know its obviously a 'ploy' that is ultimately aiming to kill Israelis.
This 'flotilla' is exactly for that purpose and so far its 'almost' working and while it did not quite get them to lift that 'embargo' it went a long way and did get a lot of sympathy at first.

Not all Arabs follow a nomadic way of life there was towns Villages and cities there before the Jewish people decided to take over it.

By being the first to settle the area do you mean the tribes of Israel under Moses etc? If so re read your bible, they fought battles against peoples back then to clear the area first.

Here again is another annoying thing we all have to play 'pretend games' and its this fake idea of Palestine and this idea of 'Palestinians'.

A quick study about fairly recent history and you can see that todays so-called 'Palestine' was not a nation, country, people, race or any such thing.
Even the name was describing a 'region'.
The Hebrides is not a country. There is not a nation of people called the 'Hebridians'.
Here we have the 'Cascadia region'. Its describing a mountain range. Its not a country. There is not a race or tribe called 'The Cascadians'.

But do you know who was called 'Palestinians'?
Jews!
Actually the region had nomadic Bedouins and it had a handful of other peoples here and there. I have no doubt some were arab muslims too,
and,
the odd Jews who were actually left over from centuries ago and were still wandering the former-Israel.
They used to be called 'Palestinians'.

But never mind that. The reality for us today is that nearly nobody calling themselves 'Palestinian' is from there.
They are Jordanians and from other Arab Muslim nations and moved there AS Jews did.
They were 'immigrant workers' who moved there to build Israel.

Again its just annoying we all have to sit around pretending like 'Palestinians' are a people and were 'there first'.
Nonsense.

Now it does happen that a generation or two later there are people who have no been born and raised in what we started calling 'Palestinian regions',
and,
in the same way there is now a new generation of Israelis who were born and raised in Israel.

But lets get off this nonsense of some 'Palestine nation' full of 'Palestinians' who were then 'taken over' by Jews.
No.
That does not mean they get discounted either but I will not go around pretending that Israel is 'occupying' some imaginary country.