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Originally Posted by MassiveTruck

OK, question your logic for a moment.

If only 25% is going in (I've heard, not enough... but 25% (and then you have to question HOW MUCH aid and who pays for it)) then, considering, we know 10 thousand to 20 thousand tonnes if pumped in regularly for 1.5 million people, on a weekly basis and this is not enough... how could a convoy of ships, yes?, with 15,000 tonnes of aid only have been enough?

That's just the first part of how ridiculously stupid this stunt was but also how it had nothing to do with aid.

Now... about aid... as I said in the previous post - should Gaza hold us to ransom for their development? If they, as a state, cannot elect or allow Israel to fund them and create a thriving economy (which is what the Arabs wanted a part of and couldn't achieve over millenia, more on this late) then they die. That's just about as simple as it is.

On the one hand, Gaza thinks the US and the UK and the west and China and India are all corrupt and nasty and decadent and liberal nutcases but they want millions and millions of pounds of our aid. Oh it's fine to take our freebies but Eff off with your principles... now how does that work?

We cannot build Gaza. Charities cannot build Gaza. They have a lifeline from Israel which they don't accept because, Oh my God, they're Jews - evil Jews... and we want our country back (which was never theirs).

Now quickly about who owns Israel. Well... nobody does. But who ruined Israel - well that one is easy... the Muslims did. Post Mohammed, actually pre-Mohammed being kicked out of a town in Arabia the large proportion of that part of the world was nomadic. You went where the food was and where your cattle grazed. The Bible says one thing but they were all nomadic. Up until the 19th century that was the case until it was important to create a state in Palestine and who built that, who formulated it, who created an amazing economy - the Jews... while the Arabs just twiddle their thumbs wanting everything the Jews had built. Have the Arabs done that in any of their other states? God no... they just don't know how to do anything other than fighting against other muslims. That's all they've been about since the beginning of time. They went into Israel, converted everybody into Islam with a sword and fear and then moved on until they were pushed back from southern Spain because they knew nothing of trade and development and were kicked out when they ran out of money. This has been the state of muslims and will continue to be when they run out of oil in the middle east and continue terrorist activity which is the only commodity they appear to know when they haven't got ownership of natural resources.

While the rest of the world is thriving.

There was no need therefore for this convoy to go there. Biden has said, like he always says, come to us and the UK says, come to us, we'll negotiate delivery of aid... what's wrong with that? It was a miniscule amount of aid compared to what is delivered in there... but you tell me in terms of aid.

Is enough aid being sent to India?

How about Pakistan? Afghanistan? China? Africa? South America??

Who gets enough aid? OK... how about the UK... do we, in our sink estates, in our inner cities, get enough aid? Who gets enough aid in the world today?

How about people who need drugs for their disease or people without healthcare...

Which poverty stricken individual in the world today gets aid?

You see the problem with the logic when trying to give charity?

Gaza is getting aid but if anybody thinks we're going to create Bath Spa over night there is living on cloud cuckoo land!

A lot countries need aid. It's not a perfect world but the Muslims and their "charities" shouldn't be forcing people to give aid in one part of of the world, one miniscule area of the world when the west are trying to pump money all over the world.

Gaza needs to realise they have no higher sense of entitlement over others.

I dont think you quite understand, just like in the former Republic of Yugoslavia the UN and other relief organisations can only take in what aid has been agreed with the sovereign state. In this case Israel doesnt allow most of the aid the UN wants to take in, so it piles up.

The people of Gaza need the aid in order to survive if Israel lifted the blockade, which is total, the industry and agriculture could be resumed and the Palestinians could trade with neighbours, like they initially started when Israel allowed them the strip.

However thats not Israels intent, since the Interim Agreement of the West Bank and Gaza (the Israeli-Palestinian Interim Agreement, Oslo 2) the Israelis have allowed their own settlers to move in and displace the Palestinians from the area ceded to them.

They dont want the Palestinians there and have attempted to push them out of the areas, the Palestinians have pushed back. To go in with the army and force them to move would create more trouble and loss of lives than the current slow starvation.

If Israel actually lifted the blockade and allowed all aid in except what the UN deem to be unacceptable,(which would include all weapons ammunition or components of and production of) that would go a long way to gaining back a lot of respect in the worlds eye. However the other side of that sword is it would look to both the Israeli people and the Palestinians that Hamas had forced them to back down.

There will be another attempt to break the blockade some time in the very near future, like the next couple of days and it will probably fail lets hope not as spectacularly as the last attempt.