[Claymores]

Originally Posted by vesavius

So fickle, I guess the need to go with the herd gets us all sooner or later :P

She was the only honest one in that whole situation, she said it to SS and not behind her back, and she actually bought the whole situation to a much earlier end then if she hadnt said it. The general bitching vs SS would have gone on for hours and been a lot nastier if she hadnt.

I honestly don't agree with your interpretation of her actions or her 'enjoying it'. I saw nothing of that.

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

[fingers]

Originally Posted by Claymores

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

None of her stalwart defenders can see the smirks!!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Claymores

You've gone Josie blind - the smirk on her face when Sunshine got upset said it all.

No, I just don't change my view overnight on someone based on a heavily edited HL show and the weight of fashionable opinion, as is all too common around here.

All the reasons I support Josie are still true. I do not expect *anyone* in that house to be perfect, and I don't turn on them in a second if they are not. I only ask that they are basically honest funny generous people to get my support, and Josie hasnt been anything but that. I won't condem her just because she was friends with Govan, or because she gets on with the others such as Shabby.

If I see her actually being the person being described by the haters here I will join in the dissaproval, but I just havent. I have actually been objective in many posts about HMs I don't like but still want in the house to watch, so Josie dosent have to be one to be the other in my eyes.

I have stated my loathing for Ben plenty of times, but I have also said didnt even want him to leave on Friday... he is good TV for the time being after all. Same with Sunshine.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by vesavius

No, I just don't change my view overnight on someone based on a heavily edited HL show and the weight of fashionable opinion, as is all too common around here.

All the reasons I support Josie are still true. I do not expect *anyone* in that house to be perfect, and I don't turn on them in a second if they are not. I only ask that they are basically honest funny generous people to get my support, and Josie hasnt been anything but that. I won't condem her just because she was friends with Govan, or because she gets on with the others such as Shabby.

If I see her actually being the person being described by the haters here I will join in the dissaproval, but I just havent. I have actually been objective in many posts about HMs I don't like but still want in the house to watch, so Josie dosent have to be one to be the other in my eyes.

I have stated my loathing for Ben plenty of times, but I have also said didnt even want him to leave on Friday... he is good TV for the time being after all. Same with Sunshine.

I'm never ever fashionabe vessy - I saw what I saw. Why bring ben into this??? I was talking about Josy being a cow lietenant for Shabby.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Claymores

I'm never ever fashionabe vessy - I saw what I saw. Why bring ben into this??? I was talking about Josy being a cow lietenant for Shabby.

eh?

I didnt accuse you of anything, I only explained why you saying I had gone 'blind' wasnt correct.

as for Ben, I only mentioned him in the context of how I am pretty objective about who I want in the house, and that I dont defend them out of any percieved need to keep them in... I'm sorry, I honestly thought you would see that.

I thought I answered your post pretty well, I am sorry thats all you took from it.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by vesavius

so, explain why rather then act in this overly defensive way and we might have a conversation.

whats 'extreme' about what I have said in this thread?

~Simple Josie's behaviour has been indefensible

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Claymores

~Simple Josie's behaviour has been indefensible

Well, that dosent tell me much more then before.

How so specifically?

if you have posted why you think so elsewhere, tell me and I will go read it there.

[Claymores]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Well, that dosent tell me much more then before.

How so specifically?

if you have posted why you think so elsewhere, tell me and I will go read it there.

OK - she wound Sunshine over crisps purely to try get the girl up for eviction. She smirked when the lass got uprset. She then used this ammunition with Shabby/Caoimmhe