[Locke.]

Originally Posted by setanta

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

I didn't say anything was wrong with it I said we expect it. And we deserve it. We're expected to go a lot further than the last 16 and with the players we've got we should be making the semi's easily. So having a laugh at the teams expense is expected.. I'm sure 85% of England fans will also be doing the same.

[MissKittyFantastico]

I'm over it too, we were shocking, the better team won, end of.

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

I actually feel the most for Becks out of the lot of them, if he had been playing and as captain I think he would have made a difference in the whole team's attitude.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by setanta

~Eh, is it wrong to criticize a team that have underperformed at a World Cup? That's not ripping the pi$$ out of your team... that's reality. Something is wrong in that England camp, big time.

True, theres too many big egos that need sorting out and the team is not simply clicking together whilst on international duty where as at club they are obviously surrounded by world class players and therefore are inspired to do much better.

The players are capable no question in that, now we need to know whats gone wrong and if there can be a solution on how to change whether it's the system or the style of play etc in future.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

My wife said, "Maybe this mini-heatwave affected the England team"

Get back in the kitchen woman for fucks sake and let me mourn in peace.

Good one!

[Locke.]

Anyway that's me done with caring about the World Cup for another 4 years. Just hope whatever team wins has a few Liverpool players in it.

... Back to hoping the mess at Anfield is sorted out now.

[InOne]

Ok, so England lose 4-1 to Germany, or, if you allow the disallowed goal, England lost 4-2. Of course there will be all of the media banging on about how if it was two all at half time, England might of come back stronger in the second half and that it could've changed the dynamic of the game etc etc, a kind've chaos theory rhetoric as it were, lasting for the next four years.

But.

Is anyone else impressed by the fact that the octopus was right?

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Kitty

I'm over it too, we were shocking, the better team won, end of.

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

I actually feel the most for Becks out of the lot of them, if he had been playing and as captain I think he would have made a difference in the whole team's attitude.

I'm over it now too, at least this time we can't blame the WAG'S.


Now i've got more free time for Wrestling and BB.

[alc09]

Originally Posted by Kitty

I'm actually more optimistic about the future than most, because some of the worst players on the pitch today were the oldest and supposedly 'most experienced' and any new manager coming in will HAVE to shake things up and make changes. There's plenty of young English talent in the PL that missed out this time, it's actually all pretty positive from where I'm sitting.

That's the problem, there really isn't.

[Scarlett.]

Germany deserved to win, we've been playing **** since we landed in Africa

[InOne]

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by InOne

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread

Errr where is Pixie's legs?.

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by InOne

http://www.sickipedia.org/

We need to lighten up this thread

site down for me.....

[InOne]

It must be going crazy lol

[Iceman]

id say so....anyway thats me done on the matter ill leave by saying hard luck and its a pity you underperformed..

[setanta]

The thing that shocked me the most today wasn't the disallowed goal, it was bringing on Heskey for Defoe. Heskey?!!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by setanta

You still didn't perform, forget about the goal. You were rubbish and they were able to open you up with precise passing. Don't be making excuses for a terrible performance. Sure the lads on BBC even called it abysmal.

It was poor but that one incident turned the match. You admit England were the better team after their first goal and if the 2nd goal had counted it may have been different.

After Half-Time the German tactics were spot on ie to sit back and hit England on the break but would they have been able to do that if it was 2 - 2?

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by setanta

The thing that shocked me the most today wasn't the disallowed goal, it was bringing on Heskey for Defoe. Heskey?!!

I know yeah it should have been Crouch that came on. Milner had a decent match and I do like Joe Cole but was puzzled by that subsitution also.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by bbfan1991

I know yeah it should have been Crouch that came on. Milner had a decent match and I do like Joe Cole but was puzzled by that subsitution also.

I'd have taken off Gerrard for Cole. He had a terrible match, but sure there was quite a few who weren't at the races today. But Heskey? Are you having a laugh?!

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

England actually needs to move on from this generation! I have said it time and time again. THey are the most over rated team in the world. Yeah, they are solid, but they dont have real playmakers. They dont have great players that are naturally talented. The team is a bunch of military style players who follow instructions. They dont have a Messi, a David Villa, a Ronaldinho etc....
YOu need some flair to win the WC!

The think is the same players have been selected in the national team for a very long time now. None of the young players are given a chance. They dumped THeo Walcott, one of the rare players who play with freedom. The ones that they actually ahve in this team, didnt get to play much. Aaron Lennon started one game, and then was dumped. Same for SWP. Guys like Jenas. Joe Cole is another one, needed to play a lot more. And th3y have a l0t more good young players, but they arent given a chance.

Look at Germany. Thjey made it to the semis last WC, but this team has a bunch of new players. Yet look at them Same for most ofd the big teams.
YOu need to move on from the Lampard, Ashley cole, John terry etc.....

I don't fullly agree. If you were to list the top 20 players in the world probably five or six English players would have to be in your mind for that list. And these players play for top teams with top managers who win at the highest level. I don't think Sir Alex Ferguson, Carlo Ancelotti, Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger would play these guys if they couldn't play. I think though something is fundamentally wrong. It reminds me of the NBA and how the USA always under perform at Olympics and world championships even though they have by far the best squads. Its baffling but I don't think turning you back on this bunch of players is the answer but I admit there is something fundamentally wrong,

[setanta]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

It was poor but that one incident turned the match. You admit England were the better team after their first goal and if the 2nd goal had counted it may have been different.

After Half-Time the German tactics were spot on ie to sit back and hit England on the break but would they have been able to do that if it was 2 - 2?

There's always a spell like that after you concede a goal, especially when you've been totally in control of the match. It should have been 3 or 4 nil at that stage and they were just a bit rattled, that's all. It would have been same song second verse after halftime. They were far better than you... simple.

Yes, Germany's tactic were sound but England were all over the shop. They would have been all over the shop at 2-2 as well. Remember, Germany had been carving you up from the first whistle. Nothing would have changed that.

[Nemo123]

Terry isn't even the best defender at Chelsea, that's Alex. And Liverpool have been lost since Alonso left. Bar Rooney, there's no-one in the England squad who'd make a WC 11, and he was very very poor.

[Big Brother Fan]

From sikipedia

Africans finally have the chance to tell the English to go back to their own ****ing country!

haha

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by setanta

There's always a spell like that after you concede a goal, especially when you've been totally in control of the match. It should have been 3 or 4 nil at that stage and they were just a bit rattled, that's all. It would have been same song second verse after halftime. They were far better than you... simple.

Yes, Germany's tactic were sound but England were all over the shop. They would have been all over the shop at 2-2 as well. Remember, Germany had been carving you up from the first whistle. Nothing would have changed that.

For large spells of the game England were just as good,. The first two goals were down to woeful defending but on the balance of play Germany were not really on top. We see teams outplayed every week but end up drawing level and then going on to win. It may well have happened here.

[alc09]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Terry isn't even the best defender at Chelsea, that's Alex. And Liverpool have been lost since Alonso left. Bar Rooney, there's no-one in the England squad who'd make a WC 11, and he was very very poor.

I'm not even sure if Rooney would make a WC11 to be honest..

And to the person who said 5 England players would be in the top 20 players around, stop talking ****e.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

For large spells of the game England were just as good,. The first two goals were down to woeful defending but on the balance of play Germany were not really on top. We see teams outplayed every week but end up drawing level and then going on to win. It may well have happened here.

Large parts? 10 mins before the break and about 5 after. That's not large spells. You were shocking and the better team won.

Germany were totally on top of you prior to your first goal. How can you say that? They were dominating possession and had so many chances. I honestly though it was going to be 4 or 5 nil at that stage. You goal was totally out of the blue.