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Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is a misleading thread, no one I would safely believe thinks Steve should not win because of the disabilities he has,that is a wrong assumption that anyone thinks that.
The sad thing as to Stev is the more he talks about subjects the more extreme his views and also intolerance,as shown in the tasks he can still do a fair amount in them and he can still talk so there is lots to judge him on as to his being a good,fair or bad housemate.
For me his discussion with Ben as to the UK getting involved in foreign countries,his view that people should only be able to comment on such things if they were an MP or had been in the forces,showed Steve to have some odd and bigoted views,when he said if a child of his ever went to prison,that he wouldn't visit them left me stunned,what a pretentious and uncompromising person. He knows he snores and annoys many housemates with it but he does nothing about it,how very selfish,then he castigates Ben for not as he sees it being a team player,so he nominates Ben week after week for that,rediculous as Ben has done many tasks but okay he can be a bit non conformist and is always upfront about it, so Steve has no respect for honesty in people either.
However the reason people are now against Steve is because as Ben pointed out TO STEVE,since the new girls especially Rachel had come in the house Steve was like dog in heat.It is the combination of those few things,and I could have listed many more, that will likely stop the public wanting Steve to win, not his disabilities. The thing for me is that when he wants a laugh,he expects everyone to want to too, but when he cannot be bothered and the other housemates are having fun, being younger, he moans and groans and tells them to stop,like a grumpy old neighbour who always tries to spoil others fun.That is the reason he is more disliked and his really sick flirting with Keeley and Rachel when he knows his wife and kids could be watching makes me feel really sick indeed,he's a dirty old man and a very bad housemate indeed who gets more boring and irrelevant as the days pass.
Nothing to do with his disabilities,he is just not a nice man at all and thats starting to show more and more.

Is Steve not allowed strong opinions - especially on something as personal as the army and it's presence in other countries! We are all entitled to opinions on that, but I guess that Steve felt that some members of the general public often don't know enough about what is going on to have an informed opinion! It is clearly an emotive subject for him - and he over-reacted - we all do it - doesn't mean he has extreme, intolerant views. Maybe you over-react in your description of him based on that incident! No-one is saying he is perfect, but it seems some expect him to be!

As for the snoring - what do you propose he does about that - it is not a conscious action that he can control! And most of what you say about him moaning could be applied to any of the other hms at various times - they all love a good moan!

I think that your description of him as a 'dirty old man' speaks volumes about your view of his age in relation to his actions. He is 41 that is not old - he is not dead below the waste - and she is not exactly young at 31! He was flattered by her attentions and was trying to join in more and have a bit of fun! Whether he got a bit carried away and OTT in that, perhaps not realising how a predominantly young audience might perceive that, is down to personal opinion - but to call him a perv is pretty OTT in my opinion!

What is questionable - is Keeley's motives. She has the advantage of knowing how the hms are perceived outside and did seem to make a beeline for Steve - one has to ask why! She is not a silly young girl, but a mature business woman! She was constantly paying him attention and cuddling up to him - the fact that you don't once question her motives - makes me question your judgement!