[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

he does not have a job

his "minister" moniker is not recognised by any authority (ie it is self proclaimed)

He has no job

he makes his money by exploiting gullible people to donate to him



His whole "ministry" is based on earning him a wage

Self-proclaimed in not illegal or necessarily immoral! That is how many religions often start!

There you go with your assumptions and conclusions again! If you have any facts, produce them!

I thought not!

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

An excellent point.

People are more likely too empathize with someone who is in a wheelchair: Exploitative

He doesn't need a bloody wheelchair: Dishonest

How is it excellent - it isn't based on fact - just supposition!

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by housemate

I agree that it does shame Christianity (in my opinion)
Surely one of daves little mates (in the vid) could have had a placard stating that Dave was actually able bodied? The chair was obviously used as an advertising slogan for his cause, the honourable thing (if he wasn't presenting himself as disabled) would have been to make this clear to the people he spoke to?
Put it this way, if I encountered a Monk in a wheelchair, the last thought to come to mind would be that he was anything other than a disabled Monk!
The Drunk on the Lord nonsense is surely the same thing? An illusion whose sole purpose is to convince?

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I agree. The idea is that Dave was in such drunken ecstasy that he couldn't walk and they needed to push him around in the wheelchair.
They do believe he was temporarily disabled.
I think most people see it and suppose it is some drunk nutters taking the piss.

Either way, the thing here was not collecting donations. They were not asking for money or taking money.
Fingers seems to be doing her best to convince as many as possible he was pretending to be disabled to get donations from people.
They were not.
Someone here even suggested he be reported for defrauding people but in fact they were not taking money from anyone.

Again - good post!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

How is it excellent - it isn't based on fact - just supposition!

He is using a wheelchair in the video. FACT. Also he isn't disabled and dosen't need a wheel chair FACT.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Again - good post!

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

Youtube video

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

I'm on a roll with you Wombai lol

*dont worry.. im sure i will infuriate you later but for now we are on the same wavelength i think hehe

Here is the start of a David Wheelchair thing in Guilford:

Youtube video

We are!

I think the points you made about him being in a wheelchair because he was drunk with god, and therefore, unable to walk properly, made it all make more sense - it was simply a symbolic gesture!

Nothing to do with an intention to take the piss out of disabled people, as some have tried so hard to have us all believe! At worst people could accuse the stunt of being in poor taste - but not the same thing at all!

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

We are!

I think the points you made about him being in a wheelchair because he was drunk with god, and therefore, unable to walk properly, made it all make more sense

That dosen't make sense

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

That dosen't make sense

It does! Where does the term 'legless' come from? So drunk you are unable to stand, nevermind walk! It makes perfect sense!

[Kitten]

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

[Late for the Party]

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

Its the, drunk on the "lord" bit that dosen't make sense

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I would imagine that he is very careful about anyone finding out about his, ahem, "income stream"

it will never be videoed that is for sure

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

That one is a bit harder to explain - but is a big part of their belief system - but I can get the logic of it - just about!

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

I suppose I'll never get it, so i'm going to stop trying.
I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular but:

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

you wont get it as it is fictitious

hence the only people who do pretend to get it are the needy and gullible


think of it as a numpty identifier

[housemate]

Originally Posted by Kitten

the scary thing is that none of you actually have a clue what ur talking about. Dave taking advantage of disabled ppl and taking money off them? i don't think so. where did this idea even come from? what's wrong with u all, he's the most genuine guy in there. everyone else has cracked by now, can't u accept that Dave is just a nice guy?

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Late for the Party

When someone can show me any case, where, under reasonable scientific conditions, it has been proven, that someone who believes something so much, become physically disabled, completely incoherent, I will then take back everything I have ever said about Dave.

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:

Youtube video

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame because you can dismiss anything except maybe maths,
however,
If you need to know then you might look no further than Derren Brown although others have worked with this too.
You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

I was reading about a thing in wars 'shell shock' where men.. due to psychological trauma had become paralyzed.
There was no actual physical damage to their legs but traumatic fear etc.. they were literally 'scared stiff' and unable to walk or move.

Not exactly the same thing but here Brown shows how people can be convince they are drunk and their bodies will act accordingly:

Youtube video

precisely

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by housemate

In a word No! He is immoral in the House and immoral out of it.
my opinion is based on what I see and hear on BB and what I see and hear him doing out of the house.
I don't intend or expect to sway anyone elses opinions about Dave but I am happy that I'm not the only one who finds Dave repulsive.
Genuine you say? What part of being able to cure cancer or stab his (so called) friends in the back is that then?

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

They all stab each other in the back - even Josie and JJ do it to each other (and a lot more frequently) so to use that as a reason to call him immoral is a bit lame to say the least!

I stand corrected .. as a man of the cloth it is immoral to hold the bible in one hand and defame those he professes to Love.
It is a gross insult to his Faith, my Faith and infact any Faith at all.

[flamingGalah!]

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED

Not into symbolic gestures then!

[housemate]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I find it absolutely hilarious that Daves fans on here will defend ANYTHING he does no matter how distasteful! The fraud is being wheeled around in a wheelchair & they say there is nothing wrong with that & try to come up with ridiculous reasons as to why it's acceptable...

It is WRONG & there is NO acceptable reason why an able bodied person should be wheeled about in a wheelchair...

The man is a disgrace & MUST BE EVICTED

I just really wish I could understand where they are coming from ... Do they approve of Daves choices or are they just hell bent on playing Devils advocate?

[Late for the Party]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Trying to add a bunch of talk of 'scientific proof' is lame

I still require it

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You bet.. yes indeed people can work themselves into euphoric ecstatic states through self-induced psychosomatic states.

Yes, mentally deficient people

Originally Posted by ElProximo

You may have also seen (in life or on television) where someone in massive mental/emotional distress has lost their ability to stand.
Upon news the husband has died the woman becomes hysterical and seconds later her legs give out.. relatives must hold her up.

That is an extremely traumatic event and is a bad comparison.

David is not scared stiff, maybe a little mentally deficient

[housemate]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not into symbolic gestures then!

Lol!! Are you actually being serious, whats wrong with a Cross? Is it possibly that a Crucifix would be too obvious?