[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Shaun

It's not like he hasn't had the opportunity...don't tell me 'what's wrong with record companies today' - the fact this single is being released in the first place IS what's wrong with record companies today.

I'm saying that, for an X Factor winner, and all of the accompanying free promo and fame that's come with that, he's set to be the biggest failure. Whether or not I agree with that is irrelevant.

If YOU released a single and it got to No.3 it would be an amazing achievement, given your glaring lack of country-wide fame, record deal, promotions and television time.

Th fact is the single is top 5 lol

NOT A FLOP

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Th fact is the single is top 5 lol

NOT A FLOP

It's a flop in terms of the current chart, if you dont get top spot from Xfactor then you're basically screwed.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Th fact is the single is top 5 lol

NOT A FLOP

And my point is that Leon Jackson has had a Top 5 single...

He's nothing but a flop :P

[Tom]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

Th fact is the single is top 5 lol

NOT A FLOP

Joe will be the first X Factor winner to not have a number 1 amongst his first 2 singles, and Steve aside, his first proper single will be the lowest charting of them all. His series is the most watched on average to date, and Sundays results show was one of the most watched X Factor shows EVER.

In the midweeks, of the singles above him, 2 have been in the chart for a while, 1 is a prevous number 1, 1 is holding onto the #1 slot whilst the other is selling on the artists name alone. How is it anything but a flop?

If he released it without all the X Factor stuff and reached #4 it would be a success but much more is expected of him

[cub]

Originally Posted by Tom

Joe will be the first X Factor winner to not have a number 1 amongst his first 2 singles

Um. No he won't. The Climb was number one.

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by cub

Um. No he won't. The Climb was number one.

but normally x factor winners go straight in at number one, he went in at number two and got beaten by ratm and didn't get the xmas number 1. that's shameful.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

but normally x factor winners go straight in at number one, he went in at number two and got beaten by ratm and didn't get the xmas number 1. that's shameful.

I don't like to make excuses for X Factor winners, but no other ones before Joe have had to put up with a bunch of over-zealous Facebookers with a poor grasp of irony ('f__k you I won't do what you tell me')

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't like to make excuses for X Factor winners, but no other ones before Joe have had to put up with a bunch of over-zealous Facebookers with a poor grasp of irony ('f__k you I won't do what you tell me')

true i guess but still, you would have thought that he would still have beaten them going by all the support he had on the show and how high his winning percentage was.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't like to make excuses for X Factor winners, but no other ones before Joe have had to put up with a bunch of over-zealous Facebookers with a poor grasp of irony ('f__k you I won't do what you tell me')

Alex had a campaign against her

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Tom

Alex had a campaign against her

That is true.
Maybe Joe just wasn't that popular. *concedes*

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Tom

Alex had a campaign against her

i vaguely remember that. i think LOL.

[cub]

Originally Posted by Stephanie

but normally x factor winners go straight in at number one, he went in at number two and got beaten by ratm and didn't get the xmas number 1. that's shameful.

But in that post it clearly says he didn't get to no. 1. He did.

Votes in the X Factor don't always translate into record sales. There have been more failed careers in the X Factor than successful ones.

Currently three X Factor artists are guarenteed to chart: Leona, Alexandra and JLS. That's a poor result.