[pices]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Andrew loved it

Did he, then why did he say he felt awkward and embarrassed then, do you think its OK for someone to do that to another person knowing it is embarrassing to them, for your own pleasure.
Disgusting.

[pices]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Well he followed him into the bathroom it's a big house , he just desperately had to brush is teeth next to a naked mario?

But he did not expect Naked Mario to sit on him.He said he felt awkward and embarrased.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by pices

Did he, then why did he say he felt awkward and embarrassed then, do you think its OK for someone to do that to another person knowing it is embarrassing to them, for your own pleasure.
Disgusting.

He said 'awkward' but he didn't move did he? He loved it, another time when mario was having a naked shower he dragged dave into the bathroom with him to watch

[pices]

Originally Posted by Jack Skellington

The most uncomfortable viewing in the house where each time Ben started a sentence with "I love him/her to bits, but....."

Ha ha really, I loved that actually, because you just always knew Ben was going to come out with a gem, BTW Ben does love everyone, he just understands that they have little foibles and faults, he also accepts he has his own.
But honestly its hardly in the same division of uncomfortableness as Mario's disgusting little habit of offending someone with your body parts or foul sexual innuendo.

[Malza]

Originally Posted by pices

Did he, then why did he say he felt awkward and embarrassed then, do you think its OK for someone to do that to another person knowing it is embarrassing to them, for your own pleasure.
Disgusting.

Mario was on a task from the TOT with the target to wind Andrew up and well, he had fun doing it. Bless him

[pices]

Sorry folks, off to watch the test match, and England have 2 wickets before those ponsy Aussies have any runs Waheyyyyy

[Malza]

Originally Posted by pices

But honestly its hardly in the same division of uncomfortableness as Mario's disgusting little habit of offending someone with your body parts or foul sexual innuendo.

Honestly, I found it much more disturbing seeing Ben (and Dave) over and over again trash-talk people and minutes later he walks out, hugs and smiles at them, pretending to be best buddy's.

Nasty character

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by lauraC

He used to walk around school naked apart from his choir uniform he told us on big brother during one of those games because it gave him a thrill, kinky devil!

Oh sometimes you are just sad ... to equate that with the naked bollock thrusting ... it just makes you look ridiculous ... try not to show yourself up ...

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by lauraC

He said 'awkward' but he didn't move did he? He loved it, another time when mario was having a naked shower he dragged dave into the bathroom with him to watch

You do seem to 'know' (or intuit) so much ... and I can hazard a fair guess why you do ... as I think can many other people who read these pages ...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lauraC

He said 'awkward' but he didn't move did he? He loved it, another time when mario was having a naked shower he dragged dave into the bathroom with him to watch

That sounds far too akin to the old line of defence trotted out by rapists, "She said no, but she didn't move did she", and I'm taken aback that anyone would think the word awkward resembles any similarity to 'enjoying or loving' something as you have suggested.

Not suggesting that Mario is a rapist, but in this particular scenario, he cleary is happy forcing himself on someone,therefore hence my reference. If it's more palatable, a wife beater for example, tends to assimilate the same twist on words (ie: "She asked for it", when clearly, the person did not 'ask for it' - but that is how the controlling person views it). Extreme examples but given to clarify complete misinterpretation of words by those who have the ability to abuse / control others by whatever means.

I'm actually quite shocked that Andrew tells Mario that the situation made him feel "Akward", and somehow, in Mario's defence, you have interpreted the word 'awkward' to mean 'loving it'. It means 'uncomfortable' / not at ease / unsettling. Never could it be misconstrued as anything even remotely close to what you have said.

How do you know Andrew loved it? Are you Andrew? If not, you have no idea what Andrew felt and have only what Andrew actually said, to judge. He certainly didn't say he loved it. (Maybe Corin was shouting, "I'm lovin' it', in the background and you've misheard)

Also: given the slim and somewhat gangly physical build of Andrew, it's laughable to suggest that Andrew was capable of dragging the portly, far far heavier Dave, anywhere...... even given that Dave had lost a few pounds by that stage!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Snowball

That sounds far too akin to the old line of defence trotted out by rapists, "She said no, but she didn't move did she", and I'm taken aback that anyone would think the word awkward resembles any similarity to 'enjoying or loving' something as you have suggested.

Not suggesting that Mario is a rapist, but in this particular scenario, he cleary is happy forcing himself on someone,therefore hence my reference. If it's more palatable, a wife beater for example, tends to assimilate the same twist on words (ie: "She asked for it", when clearly, the person did not 'ask for it' - but that is how the controlling person views it). Extreme examples but given to clarify complete misinterpretation of words by those who have the ability to abuse / control others by whatever means.

I'm actually quite shocked that Andrew tells Mario that the situation made him feel "Akward", and somehow, in Mario's defence, you have interpreted the word 'awkward' to mean 'loving it'. It means 'uncomfortable' / not at ease / unsettling. Never could it be misconstrued as anything even remotely close to what you have said.

How do you know Andrew loved it? Are you Andrew? If not, you have no idea what Andrew felt and have only what Andrew actually said, to judge. He certainly didn't say he loved it. (Maybe Corin was shouting, "I'm lovin' it', in the background and you've misheard)

Also: given the slim and somewhat gangly physical build of Andrew, it's laughable to suggest that Andrew was capable of dragging the portly, far far heavier Dave, anywhere...... even given that Dave had lost a few pounds by that stage!

i love how you have compared mario to a rapist.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jesus christ

i love how you have compared mario to a rapist.

In fairness: I didn't - because it wasn't what Mario said, . I provided typical examples of behaviour in controlling people and 'what is said during a situation where a person is forcing themselves upon another by whichever means, with that person vocalising how they feel and how the very clear word/s used vs how the spoken word/s are truly misinterpreted - to the advantage of the person doing the 'controlling'. It's a way of the controlling person 'validating' their unacceptable behaviour basically. As far as I'm aware, Mario didn't actually say this (well, not on the 'show' ): LauraC did - it's Laura's interpretation of what Andrew said, and her interpretation of it that I was questioning.

More from that angle - they were merely very extreme examples only!!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Snowball

In fairness: I didn't - because it wasn't what Mario said, . I provided typical examples of behaviour in controlling people and 'what is said during a situation where a person is forcing themselves upon another by whichever means, with that person vocalising how they feel and how the very clear word/s used vs how the spoken word/s are truly misinterpreted - to the advantage of the person doing the 'controlling'. It's a way of the controlling person 'validating' their unacceptable behaviour basically. As far as I'm aware, Mario didn't actually say this (well, not on the 'show' ): LauraC did - it's Laura's interpretation of what Andrew said, and her interpretation of it that I was questioning.

More from that angle - they were merely very extreme examples only!!

i think laurac is mario.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by jesus christ

i think laurac is mario.

We aren't here to discuss forum members - although we can discuss and debate the points they may make in respect of what they post regarding Mario, Ben and all such connected things, especially when we're discussing Mario's behaviour in this particular area.


I still would be far better known for toying with my hair the way Ben does, than exposing myself and makind people feel awkward they way Mario did. But hey, that's just my opinion - but I do tend to be quite fussy!

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Snowball

We aren't here to discuss forum members - although we can discuss and debate the points they may make in respect of what they post regarding Mario, Ben and all such connected things, especially when we're discussing Mario's behaviour in this particular area.


I still would be far better known for toying with my hair the way Ben does, than exposing myself and makind people feel awkward they way Mario did. But hey, that's just my opinion - but I do tend to be quite fussy!

but shes not a forum member,shes a mario fan and there evil.

and same here as i wouldnt want to be known as a pervert like mario does by most people.

[Angus]

My last contribution on the bollock -v- quiff debate is that, spin it out how you like, exposing one's genitals for whatever reason is NOT acceptable in any situation unless it's between CONSENTING adults, whereas being vain about one's hair is not only perfectly normal, but positively encouraged and promoted in this fashion conscious day and age.

Whilst it may be irritating for some to watch anyone fiddling with their hair, others find it an endearing trait, BUT it is not an arrestable, immoral or indecent act so the fact that the bollock exposing and quiff fiddling are being mooted by Mario fans as comparable activities is quite frankly ridiculous and makes them look extremely foolish.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by lauraC

He used to walk around school naked apart from his choir uniform he told us on big brother during one of those games because it gave him a thrill, kinky devil!

So you mean he wore a long gown presumably under which he was commando? So what? You are talking here about a teenage schoolboy not a 28 year old MAN who should demonstrate more self restraint, self respect and decorum, and who should respect the sensibilities of others. Ben did not expose himself to others uninvited for his own self gratification, that's the bottom line - there is just no getting around that fact.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by lauraC

But kinky, he must enjoy the concept of being naked and naughty, I think if there had been enough alcohol in there we would have seen ben's little ben more often

Escapades at 17 years of age are one thing (and god knows I got up to some crazy stuff at that age), but most people have grown out of immature behaviours by the time they are in their twenties. Having said that, I find nothing wrong with someone going commando BENEATH a completely concealing garment. However, I have to wonder about the mentality of a 28year old man who is still stuck in his teen years and behaves so inappropriately and immaturely on national tv in front of millions - smacks of exhibitionism to me He was lucky that no-one made a formal complaint about his behaviour, because BB would have been forced to take action.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by lauraC

Well he followed him into the bathroom it's a big house , he just desperately had to brush is teeth next to a naked mario?

Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him? Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by King Herod

Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him? Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.

Andrew's 20, actually this topic has made me think, I'm going to sue my local gym, when that 70 year old woman was flashing her droopy boobs and saggy arse it was a clear come on, I feel violated she is at least 3 times my age!

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by King Herod

My last contribution on the bollock -v- quiff debate is that, spin it out how you like, exposing one's genitals for whatever reason is NOT acceptable in any situation unless it's between CONSENTING adults, whereas being vain about one's hair is not only perfectly normal, but positively encouraged and promoted in this fashion conscious day and age.

Whilst it may be irritating for some to watch anyone fiddling with their hair, others find it an endearing trait, BUT it is not an arrestable, immoral or indecent act so the fact that the bollock exposing and quiff fiddling are being mooted by Mario fans as comparable activities is quite frankly ridiculous and makes them look extremely foolish.

I think you have made a valid point, they were all consenting adults, noone goes on big brother if nakedness bothers them, we all saw dave and andrews bits, there is no mass histeria about that, nathan took naked showers ,rachel flashed her bits, keeva,shabby and josie had their boobs out , nakedness and big brother go hand in hand

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by jesus christ

but shes not a forum member,shes a mario fan and there evil.

and same here as i wouldnt want to be known as a pervert like mario does by most people.

Is this type of post allowed?

[lauraC]

Originally Posted by Jack Skellington

The most uncomfortable viewing in the house where each time Ben started a sentence with "I love him/her to bits, but....."

One of the most uncomfortable moments for me as a viewer was watching ben in a featal position lying on top of dave in the hut, but that was just me thinking of dave's family watching their dad /husband like that, but they are both consenting adults so whatever floats their boat

[Stacey.]

Oh dear, didn't even know this argument of Mario and Ben was still going on :L

[pices]

Originally Posted by King Herod

Clearly you see nothing inappropriate about a grown man who is much older and therefore, presumably, more mature and insightful, exposing himself to a teenager who clearly hero worshipped him? Smacks of manipulative exploitation to me, bordering on sexual harrassment, and I can only assume that Mario gets off on other's reactions to the sight of his naked body. Kinky or what?

Let's see how far he would get if he tried that stunt in public, for instance if gets the urge to strip off in the supermarket or in the street.

The letch Mario even suggested that Andrews awkwardness at having a naked man sitting on him was his own fault, he was like a perverse stalker in there, full on grooming is what it looked like to me, and seriously for those who say that Ben fiddling with his hair, or gossiping about others, or going commando under clothing when he was a teenager.....is in any way comparable to the full on creepiness that Mario displayed, well its just plain silly tbh, and it makes them look rather foolish.