[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by MrWong

One was the editor of the Irish NOTW, no? Or atleast involved with them.
No sweeping generalisations there, tabloid scum is tabloid scum.

I love how you think what you're saying is fact. That Savan's job is under threat, that he's not important to the show because Yvie was brought back ect ect.. It's just your feeble attempt to discredit anything positive Savan says about Cher.

Let's try a different approach. Do you ever remember Louis this clearly and publicly disliking any previous contestant? Even one? If the answer is yes, give me their name and what he did or said to make you think he disliked them as much. If the answer is no, answer me this, if she isn't the brat that very many people believe her to be - and we could deduce this based simply on her mannerisms and responses to Konnie, Danni, Louis et al - why is Louis responding in this way to her? Let's try debating the point without flinging insults, shall we?

Edit: Also, there were FIVE journalists on that panel, only one of whom is associated with NOTW. So they're all scum, are they? Do you know them or their work? Oh, and the channel it was broadcast on is owned by ITV. Are they scum too?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Let's try a different approach. Do you ever remember Louis this clearly and publicly disliking any previous contestant? Even one? If the answer is yes, give me their name and what he did or said to make you think he disliked them as much. If the answer is no, answer me this, if she isn't the brat that very many people believe her to be - and we could deduce this based simply on her mannerisms and responses to Konnie, Danni, Louis et al - why is Louis responding in this way to her? Let's try debating the point without flinging insults, shall we?

Edit: Also, there were FIVE journalists on that panel, only one of whom is associated with NOTW. So they're all scum, are they? Do you know them or their work? Oh, and the channel it was broadcast on is owned by ITV. Are they scum too?

Louis on Danyl, “Danyl is vile. He’s everything I don’t like.”

http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/x-facto...-win-x-factor/

I like the last paragraph - 'So is Louis telling the truth? I highly doubt it. Louis knows that Danyl Johnson is the one to beat, he knows that most of his acts are crap and this is his way of sabotaging Simon Cowell and Danyl Johnson. It’s a low blow and one I hope the public see through'

Same old bitter, little queen.

One journalist, five journalists, whatever. It's a gossip show right?
Plus isn't the little gossip on the show a very good friend of Louis?

Ooh, there's that word sabotage again.

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[QUOTE=MrWong;3995773]Louis on Danyl, “Danyl is vile. He’s everything I don’t like.”

http://www.unrealitytv.co.uk/x-facto...-win-x-factor/

I like the last paragraph - 'So is Louis telling the truth? I highly doubt it. Louis knows that Danyl Johnson is the one to beat, he knows that most of his acts are crap and this is his way of sabotaging Simon Cowell and Danyl Johnson. It’s a low blow and one I hope the public see through'

Same old bitter, little queen.

One journalist, five journalists, whatever. It's a gossip show right?
Plus isn't the little gossip on the show a very good friend of Louis?

PMSL......so you believe the 'scumbag journalists' if they're saying what you want to believe, but otherwise not? And the setting and context are irrelevant, because, and here's where your argument is particularly strong - 'whatever'.
Look I'm no fan of Louis', but I believe every word of what both he and the TV3 panellists said about Cher. Why? Because it rings completely true for one of the brattiest, most smug and over-rated young performers I've ever seen anywhere. She's beyond ****e and I actually feel very sorry for her because the bang when she falls from that height is seriously going to hurt. You like her recitation or whatever it is that her fans think she's doing? Then the best of luck to you; but it's not my cup of tea and I've a pain in my jaw listening to smug and smugger telling us that she's the most original thing since Motown. Is she ****e. She's like a piss-poor parody of the worst c-rap the 80's shat out.

[MrWong]

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Originally Posted by MrWong

PMSL......so you believe the 'scumbag journalists' if they're saying what you want to believe, but otherwise not? And the setting and context are irrelevant, because, and here's where your argument is particularly strong - 'whatever'.
Look I'm no fan of Louis', but I believe every word of what both he and the TV3 panellists said about Cher. Why? Because it rings completely true for one of the brattiest, most smug and over-rated young performers I've ever seen anywhere. She's beyond ****e and I actually feel very sorry for her because the bang when she falls from that height is seriously going to hurt. You like her recitation or whatever it is that her fans think she's doing? Then the best of luck to you; but it's not my cup of tea and I've a pain in my jaw listening to smug and smugger telling us that she's the most original thing since Motown. Is she ****e. She's like a piss-poor parody of the worst c-rap the 80's shat out.

So you believe the tabloid hack, a good friend of one of the judges that mentors an opposing act in the competition?

Smear tactics used to keep Mary in the competition. That’s how is see it. Louis is that low. Only his scheming was a waste of time (nice one Simon) which is probably why he ended up having a rant on Sky News.

It certainly looks like Louis brought his feelings to the first of the live shows re Danyl. Why do you think he made personal comments? “You need to be more likeable. You don’t have the likeability factor.” That’s pretty damaging when in a show that has a lot to with personality. Bless little old Louis and his sabotaging ways.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IOyPX-P57Q


Cheers for the unnecessary Cher rant...

In the interviews i’ve heard/seen on TV, Cher seems quite humble and realistic about her chances. When was she smug? In order for her to fall from a great height you must have seen her biggin’ herself up. Do you have a clip?

Didn’t the judges mean originality in the context of the show? That’s how i saw it anyway.

Anyway, my point was that you lapped up Louis comments about Cher and probably wouldn’t believe Savan’s. I was kinda right but instead you tried to discredit his positive comments as ‘towing the party line’.

[patsylimerick]

[QUOTE=MrWong;3996752][QUOTE=patsylimerick;3995960]

So you believe the tabloid hack, a good friend of one of the judges that mentors an opposing act in the competition?

Smear tactics used to keep Mary in the competition. That’s how is see it. Louis is that low. Only his scheming was a waste of time (nice one Simon) which is probably why he ended up having a rant on Sky News.

It certainly looks like Louis brought his feelings to the first of the live shows re Danyl. Why do you think he made personal comments? “You need to be more likeable. You don’t have the likeability factor.” That’s pretty damaging when in a show that has a lot to with personality. Bless little old Louis and his sabotaging ways.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IOyPX-P57Q


Cheers for the unnecessary Cher rant...

In the interviews i’ve heard/seen on TV, Cher seems quite humble and realistic about her chances. When was she smug? In order for her to fall from a great height you must have seen her biggin’ herself up. Do you have a clip?

Didn’t the judges mean originality in the context of the show? That’s how i saw it anyway.

Anyway, my point was that you lapped up Louis comments about Cher and probably wouldn’t believe Savan’s. I was kinda right but instead you tried to discredit his positive comments as ‘towing the party line’.[/QUOTE/]

Would this be the same Cher who said "I'm putting a new twist on English mushic", and the same judges who clapped their hands raw when she said and agreed completely? I think you and I were watching a different show. I pity Cher, genuinely, because she's nothing more than a pawn in Cowell's drama-fest, but humble she ain't and I blame her friends and family for not calling her aside.

[MrWong]

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Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Would this be the same Cher who said "I'm putting a new twist on English mushic", and the same judges who clapped their hands raw when she said and agreed completely? I think you and I were watching a different show. I pity Cher, genuinely, because she's nothing more than a pawn in Cowell's drama-fest, but humble she ain't and I blame her friends and family for not calling her aside.

"I'm putting a new twist on English mushic"

So that's the comment that means she's going to fall from a great height? A comment that makes her smug and arrogant? I think you're being a little OTT in the way you're reacting to that comment. I think she just got carried away whilst trying to defend herself. It's a given that she's not paticularly erudite.

What about you overlooking the positive Cher comments by discrediting the person that made them?

[patsylimerick]

[QUOTE=MrWong;3997153][QUOTE=patsylimerick;3997143]

Originally Posted by MrWong

"I'm putting a new twist on English mushic"

So that's the comment that means she's going to fall from a great height? A comment that makes her smug and arrogant? I think you're being a little OTT in the way you're reacting to that comment. I think she just got carried away whilst trying to defend herself. It's a given that she's not paticularly erudite.

What about you overlooking the positive Cher comments by discrediting the person that made them?

Everything I've seen of Savan thus far indicates that he's a sycophant. If he does something to change that perception, then that perception will change. There are a lot of negative things I could say about Louis, but we all know that he's well capable of speaking his mind, out of turn, occasionally. Cher's attitude towards Konnie I've found particularly disrespectful, by the way, but, hey, we all have different standards.