[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

yes your real dad,and i bet he wasnt 60 when you were born

No he was in his 40's. Quite 'past it' in some peoples eyes. Blinkered ones mainly

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Mother's love!!! Not all Mothers are loving. Tracey Connelly ring any bells with you? Karen Matthews perhaps?

Pfft.

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

[Kerry]

Davids pretty young. I really don't see what all the fuss is about. Age? Or just the fact they are gay? Does it really matter? The little boys made for life. That aside look at the people around him. Didn't see many kicking up as much fuss as 50 odd year old Madonna adopted thousands

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Why? He's ditched his entire career to devote time to the baby

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

He can write, he can sing. OK he might not be up for the crocodile rock but he's as fit as a fiddle

Flippin' 'eck grandparents don't get written off. Infact they get used to look after the kids and often have them more than the parents! He's not past it. Plus (again) he has David too

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

[cub]

Originally Posted by angus58

So basically people only breed out of boredom, not because perhaps they actually have the very human desire to have a child of their own that they can love and nurture? At least he can support any child he has without expecting everyone else to.

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

no he ditched his career because he,s past it

It matters not a jot the reasons why he has retired from his career (and very long and fruitful one I might add). It allows him the time to devote to raising a young child - to devote his time soley to being a father along with a younger partner.

Hardly the crime of the century is it.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Iceman

He went through surrogacy, he didnt go to a country and pick one out like a puppy.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cub

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

so what if he's going anywhere - on tour / work ... so what?

plenty of 'regular parents' work away, plenty of them - on contracts abroad, on oil rigs, in the forces, on assignments that they cannot take family with them ....so you are saying that any parent who does that is not committed to their children? utter nonsense.

[Stu]

Plus plenty of celebrities bring the tots on the road. And before you get your knickers in a twist about 'nyah that's not suitable!' his tour bus is probably better equipped than most houses. I'm sure the wee lad will be fine.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

you were the one banging on about a Mother's love, not 'ordinary couples'. I see you had no answer to my comments about Tracey Connelly, Karen Matthews then? What love did they show their children? Being a child's biological mother does not grant direct pathway to a loving, caring, protective and nuturing environment or upbringing.

As for your comments above: Elton has gone through the surrogacy route: not regular adoption -it's an entirely different process and cannot be compared in the way you are trying to do.

I'm quite sure Elton would be delighted never to need to take care of your dog. I'm sure he'll be far more delighted at taking care of his son.

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by icecakes

if an ordinary couple want to adopt a baby,they go through 6 months of hell,being interviewed, home visits,by social workers and they think 39 is to old,
I wouldent leave my dog with elton john

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i bet elton is reading this thread. nosy bastard.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

Usually yes. Sometimes they go by independant donors but the usual route is that one parent is the sperm or egg donor (sometimes both and the surrogate is no biological relation to the baby)

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by cub

Um, no. People usually aren't bored creating a family. But he must be.

He's a millionaire, can buy anything he wishes. And now he's found the ability to buy a baby.

He's 63 by the way.

Now I read he's going on a world tour. So commitment is obviously very high on his list - commitment to his career I mean.

"Baby? What baby? Oh that baby ....

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

good comment cub

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by cub

Mmm, bored ... what else can I have .... "

It's all very 'Edina Monsoon' ...

Oh don' be so silly. You don' know Elton at all yet here you are making all kinds of utterly ridiculous assumptions about his motives and intentions. And the very idea that he worries about status symbols is just laughable.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's surrogacy so it'll be his child though, he won't be adopting (that's how it works isn't it?)

There's 'talk' that it was David's sperm...... Elton may not necessarily be the biological Daddy.

The only ones who will know for sure, are those who need to know I guess. quite right too.... it's really buggar all to do with anyone (but it's good to guess!)

[letmein]

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by letmein

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

Can see the fish hook around that post

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Can see the fish hook around that post

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by letmein

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Tell you what... if you're going to ask me a question, I'm big enough to answer it all by myself. Yes I do think Elton John would be a good father - I have no reason to suspect otherwise.

All you appear to be doing is coming across in your posts as being incredibly bitter at this news. Any particular reason why you should hold such a grudge - against Elton John or anyone of his age, becoming a father - by whatever means.

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol