[Kerry]

How many times..... he's not alone. He's not taking this child on alone. My God if any child was going to be taken care of that one is

[Angus]

Originally Posted by icecakes

what comments do you want me to make its obvious to me and everyone else
there are evil women out there who should never have had kids,
a mother is someone who brings you up loves you, and takes care of you,and allright sometimes its a father who does the same good job,can you honestly say elton john would be a wonderful dad I dont think so

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by icecakes

because every child should be brought up by someone who can give it a happy and active life not an old granddad,who only wants it for a status symbol

you seem to be very selective here - are you forgetting that David, Elton's partner is in his 40's, is very fit and healthy and will also be one of the boy's parents? And who is to say the child will not have a happy life? You are one of the very few on here who have this ridiculous notion.

What about 'everyday non celeb parents' who are not able to give their children an active life (which is a weird thing to say: the child will be active,as all children are!!!) - if you mean someone who can go around kicking a ball with their kid - there are thousands of fathers out there who are overweight, obese, unfit, have health problems that prevent them doing this - and plenty who simply can't be arsed -and quite a number of fathers who work incredibly long hours to provide a roof and all that a child needs, and who simply don't have the time to have regular active play time with their children.

Your reasons are without substance, petty and to be perfectly honest: ludicrious. Firstly, you bleated on about adoption rules, when Elton and David are not adopting, they chose the surrogacy route. You then gave it the, "A child needing a 'mothers love' patter, which is nonsense as some mothers can be inherently evil - now you're banging the 'hes too old a man' drum. Are you homophobic by chance? I ask because all I'm seeing from you is an empty vessel making much noise.

Another little snippets for you in respect of your "the rich can adopt but ordinary couples have to meet strict rules" and your 'child needs a mother's love' nonsense....

But he and Mr Furnish then made a failed attempt to adopt a 14-month-old HIV-positive boy called Lev from an orphanage in Ukraine. They were rejected because of Sir Elton’s age and the fact that the country did not recognise gay partnerships.

That puts paid to your assertion that they got any special treatement. They in fact, didn't.

For, until that point, the orphanage in a bleak industrial town on the Russian border – where he’d been dumped by his alcoholic, HIV-positive mother seven months earlier – was all this little boy had ever known.

Great 'mother' this little fella had eh? Alcoholic, HIV positive and dumped her child. So much for that wonderful thing you have in mind that you called, 'A mother's love' then huh!

How many ordinary couples out there would take on a child that was HIV positive. Not many. It's an absolute travesty that this little boy wasn't given the chance to be adopted by Elton & David - all through nothing more than bitter prejudices based on age and sexuality. The only person who has lost out was this little HIV positive boy.

[Angus]

Some of the homophobic and ageist opinions stated on this thread are disgusting and quite frankly I feel sorry for any kids whose parents hold such views which will, no doubt, be passed on to them, thereby perpetuating such nonsensical, prejudiced and malicious attitudes.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Some of homophobic and ageist opinions stated on this thread are disgusting and quite frankly I feel sorry for any kids whose parents hold such views which will, no doubt, be passed on to them, thereby perpetuating such nonsensical, prejudiced and malicious attitudes.

Hard not to disagree. Very blinkered, overly prejudiced comments being thrown around - mind you - who is to say that it's not been done 'for effect'.... you know,adding a little drama and all that!! I'm finding it hard to take some of the comments seriously, so ridiculous they are!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight ..................?

A talent wasted on a little forum !!!

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yet here you are arrogantly asserting that you have second sight and that Elton will be a terrible father - hypocrisy? Much. Or is it that only YOUR opinion is valid, despite having based it purely on prejudice?

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,

[Stu]

Originally Posted by icecakes

well excuse me for having an opinion,time will tell wont it, you dont know if he will be a good dad,and i dont know if he wont,we will just have to wait and see wont we.in the meantime i have more important things to worry about,

Really? Because you seemed pretty sure until some more intelligent posters with well thought out opinions picked you up on it.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Hard not to disagree. Very blinkered, overly prejudiced comments being thrown around - mind you - who is to say that it's not been done 'for effect'.... you know,adding a little drama and all that!! I'm finding it hard to take some of the comments seriously, so ridiculous they are!

who died and made you king, is no one allowed an opinion but you, you come out all guns blazing browbeating people down. lighten up man.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Stu

Really? Because you seemed pretty sure until some more intelligent posters with well thought out opinions picked you up on it.

[Kerry]

Icecakes of course you're allowed an opinion but don't blame people jumping on you for being bigotted

[Shaun]

-klaxons go off and confetti falls down, signalling the 1 millionth admittal of defeat with the "It's just my opinion" card-

[cub]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

so what if he's going anywhere - on tour / work ... so what?

plenty of 'regular parents' work away, plenty of them - on contracts abroad, on oil rigs, in the forces, on assignments that they cannot take family with them ....so you are saying that any parent who does that is not committed to their children? utter nonsense.

Even when they're 62!

Poppycock!

[arista]

Originally Posted by letmein

Elton is a horrible person. This kid doesn't stand a chance!

And He will Never have a Baby Girl.

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by Shaun

-klaxons go off and confetti falls down, signalling the 1 millionth admittal of defeat with the "It's just my opinion" card-

ist that what forums are all about people airing their opinions,otherwise,they would be boring.

[Barbie]

I'm not sure if i agree with same sex couples having kids. I understand that they are obviously just as capable as a hetro couple as long as they are stable but a child needs both a male and female role model, there is an element missing, and kids being kids there will be some bullying for it, simply for being different.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Barbie

I'm not sure if i agree with same sex couples having kids. I understand that they are obviously just as capable as a hetro couple as long as they are stable but a child needs both a male and female role model, there is an element missing, and kids being kids there will be some bullying for it, simply for being different.

What if a parent dies or leaves then?

[icecakes]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Icecakes of course you're allowed an opinion but don't blame people jumping on you for being bigotted

definition of bigot, a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own, this could apply to a few other people dont you think.

[Kerry]

Actually what if a boy's mother dies and he's brought up by just his father and a brother, uncle or grandfather?

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by icecakes

definition of bigot, a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own, this could apply to a few other people dont you think.

I know what a bigot is or I wouldn't have used the word. You were totally intolerant until a few posts ago

[Barbie]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

What if a parent dies or leaves then?

you've answered your own question, its not ideal is it. So is it right to put the child in the situation unnecessarily

[Kerry]

dunno why it'd be accepted if a parent brought up a child with a grandparent but as they are a same sex couple and he's a bit older it isn't

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Barbie

you've answered your own question, its not ideal is it. So is it right to put the child in the situation unnecessarily

Why is it unnecessersary? Davids in his 40's. Theres absolutely no problem. People drop dead in their 20's. FFS just be happy in life. That kids going to have the world

[Barbie]

Originally Posted by ~Kerry~

Why is it unnecessersary? Davids in his 40's. Theres absolutely no problem. People drop dead in their 20's. FFS just be happy in life. That kids going to have the world

each to their own obviously, im not totally closed off to the idea im just not sure its whats best for a child. Obviously its miles better than neglect and a dysfuctional family but compared to a mum and dad i dont think it is an equivalent option.

[Kerry]

Originally Posted by Barbie

each to their own obviously, im not totally closed off to the idea im just not sure its whats best for a child. Obviously its miles better than neglect and a dysfuctional family but compared to a mum and dad i dont think it is an equivalent option.

Well obviously nature says thats the best way. But times change