[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Stu

Because it would cost less than all the red tape involved in capital punishment. Red tape you can't remove. We are a civilised society and no matter how uncivilised he was this pipe dream of being able to simply cap him off and bury his ass gangland style will not happen.

That leaves us with no other choice. So it's just something that has to happen, isin't it. This visceral 'MY MONEY IS PAYING FOR MONSTERS!' personalisation people make for whatever fraction of a penny they are paying towards a single prisoner is so annoying.

Your tax goes fucking everywhere. It's how society works. It has to happen. You're also paying for burglars, rapists, unemployed sofa shaggers and all manner of vagabonds and layabouts.


Okay you got me. I'm only sticking up for the kiddie beater because I can't find a job.

A truly needless addition to an otherwise fine post. Having to pay for Myra Hindley's soup all those years must have really torn you up.

I don't believe I have mentioned capital punishment. I have said let him lie in the bed he made upon being freed from jail.

BTW, throwing in a few expletives gives no more weight or credence to your post. It shows that you cannot post without crudity -it's completely uncessary and to make a point, you doing so in the manner you are doing: you are deliberately avoiding the swear filter.

I also did not say my tax money did not fund other areas within society - or that my tax money was soley channelled only towards funding the upkeep of such low life.

As for your personal comment at the very end of your comment, again, quite uncessary and not required.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I don't believe I have mentioned capital punishment. I have said let him lie in the bed he made upon being freed from jail.

BTW, throwing in a few expletives gives no more weight or credence to your post. It shows that you cannot post without crudity -it's completely uncessary and to make a point, you doing so in the manner you are doing: you are deliberately avoiding the swear filter.

I also did not say my tax money did not fund other areas within society - or that my tax money was soley channelled only towards funding the upkeep of such low life.

As for your personal comment at the very end of your comment, again, quite uncessary and not required.

I'm well aware that using expletives gives no more weight or creedence to my post. I simply like using them. You can choose to report or ignore them but devoting the largest paragraph of your post to them is frivolous at best given how this thread has nothing to do with Jason Owens well documented love of cussing.

I don't know why you constantly use negatives in lieu of having any arguments to pose. I never denied that you know your money goes elsewhere. I didn't point it out to notify you of this fact. I pointed it out to serve as an argument you have not responded to. Similar to how I know you didn't mention capital punishment. You need to start giving others far more credit and just directly respond to their posts instead of giving them some sort of quasi Roger Ebert style critical evaluations that are baseless, rhetorical and fucking useless.

My comment at the end was necessary in that it served as a response to your unnecessary comment. It does have a measurable amount of sarcasm in it but guess what ... deal with it and stop pointing out to others how they post.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

None of the above.

I don't know enough about this story apart from the odd trashy snippet from the tabloids to judge fairly so I won't. As for the new Identity I can see the pros and cons of it. On one hand it'll protect the public from themselves as some idiots would undoubtedly decide to ***** up their own lives and try to dish out some mob justice but on the other hand it could be seen as protecting him. The idea that he'd be living in luxury is a typical hysterical Daily Mail image that, like the newspaper itself, is rarely based on fact. If he was given any protection then it would be under the condition that he'd have to give in to a lot of restrictions and such and given the high profile nature of his crimes he'd be under constant watch.

Whether he gets a new identity or not should depend on whether he's truly been reformed by the end of his sentence, if he is then I don't see a problem with as it would cost more to keep him locked up for life and that way he could eventually contribute to society. Only criminals that truly want to change should be given that level of help though and whether prison will change him or not remains to be seen.

It 'seems' that if I had quoted something similar from say a broadsheet, you would hold it in higher regard? Given your comments about the DM, (which was very relative in my opening post) and what appears to be disdain on your part for such a source of information, I'm really at a loss then why you would have entered the thread in the first instance - seeing as you feel the DM's articles are rarely based on fact. sorry but it does seem a little at odds... you are happy to comment on something you feel to be trashy snippet, not based on any fact?

Not withstanding that : may I ask: do you feel someone with Mr Owen's history: would be a changed person after only 4 years 'rehabilitation'? I'm being very genuine in asking you if you do honestly feel that is possible?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

It 'seems' that if I had quoted something similar from say a broadsheet, you would hold it in higher regard? Given your comments about the DM, (which was very relative in my opening post) and what appears to be disdain on your part for such a source of information, I'm really at a loss then why you would have entered the thread in the first instance - seeing as you feel the DM's articles are rarely based on fact. sorry but it does seem a little at odds... you are happy to comment on something you feel to be trashy snippet, not based on any fact?

Not withstanding that : may I ask: do you feel someone with Mr Owen's history: would be a changed person after only 4 years 'rehabilitation'? I'm being very genuine in asking you if you do honestly feel that is possible?

I would hold it in higher regard as broadsheets generally are better written and just more factual then the average tabloid. As for why I entered the thread, I don't see any mention of a tabloid in the topic title so I'm at a loss of what you're actually talking about here and like i said in the post you've quoted I've not commented on the story since I don't know enough about it. I've only talked about the law system and new identities. I'm not quite sure why you are trying to discredit me by trying to put words in my mouth when you've got my post quoted for everyone to see.

I believe prison can potentially change anyone, those four years will drag painfully for someone like him who will undoubtedly suffer at the hands of other inmates. A hellish experience can change your outlook on things. One of the cornerstones of our Law System is that with most sentences we give people the chance to change eventually, whether they receive any help should depend on their willingness to become a better person. If we let go of the hope that people can be better then we might as well lock up everyone who's done wrong for life which wouldn't work either. The system isn't perfect but it's a lot better then most suggestions I tend to here.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I would hold it in higher regard as broadsheets generally are better written and just more factual then the average tabloid. As for why I entered the thread, I don't see any mention of a tabloid in the topic title so I'm at a loss of what you're actually talking about here and like i said in the post you've quoted I've not commented on the story since I don't know enough about it. I've only talked about the law system and new identities. I'm not quite sure why you are trying to discredit me by trying to put words in my mouth when you've got my post quoted for everyone to see.

I believe prison can potentially change anyone, those four years will drag painfully for someone like him who will undoubtedly suffer at the hands of other inmates. A hellish experience can change your outlook on things. One of the cornerstones of our Law System is that with most sentences we give people the chance to change eventually, whether they receive any help should depend on their willingness to become a better person. If we let go of the hope that people can be better then we might as well lock up everyone who's done wrong for life which wouldn't work either. The system isn't perfect but it's a lot better then most suggestions I tend to here.

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My opening post.....gives links to the source. Aside which, you must have read either that or subsequent posts - because you yourself referred to

typical hysterical Daily Mail image that, like the newspaper itself, is rarely based on fact

.... I am not trying to discredit you Dezzy - but to pretend that you didn't realise there was any reference to the DM link - because I didn't quote it in the thread title, seem a bit of a moot point

I can possibly understand your thoughts that Owen would have suffered in prison - but that isn't altogether a certaintly - especially as such prisoners tend to be isolated - for their own safety. I perhaps wish I had the faith that you have, that 4 years would turn this man around. Regrettably, I personally don't have that same belief.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

My opening post.....gives links to the source. Aside which, you must have read either that or subsequent posts - because you yourself referred to .... I am not trying to discredit you Dezzy - but to pretend that you didn't realise there was any reference to the DM link - because I didn't quote it in the thread title, seem a bit of a moot point

I can possibly understand your thoughts that Owen would have suffered in prison - but that isn't altogether a certaintly - especially as such prisoners tend to be isolated - for their own safety. I perhaps wish I had the faith that you have, that 4 years would turn this man around. Regrettably, I personally don't have that same belief.

You asked why I came into this thread if the article was from a tabloid, well I couldn't exactly decipher that from the thread title when I clicked on it and my first post was a response to Livia's rather then the OP. i've not commentated on the actual story directly and the stuff about the Daily Mail was OBVIOUSLY a general example, one I often mention in these discussions.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You asked why I came into this thread if the article was from a tabloid, well I couldn't exactly decipher that from the thread title when I clicked on it and my first post was a response to Livia's rather then the OP. i've not commentated on the actual story directly and the stuff about the Daily Mail was OBVIOUSLY a general example, one I often mention in these discussions.

Fair comment. Seems very odd to enter a thread yet know nothing about what it is discussing, nor taking into account anything that has been said in relation to the very article in question that started the topic off, but opt to select one random post to address without being aware of the discussion on the thread. But hey, each to their own, live and let live as they say.