[daniel-lewis-1985]

That editing wasnt very clear.

Did Kerry say what Pamela said or was Kerry right to say Pamela heard what she wanted to hear.

Confusing

[Niamh.]

I have no idea either

[Jordan.]

What was said? I haven't been paying attention

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I have no idea either

The flash back thing just doesnt work.

[Niamh.]

Oh someone in the episode thread just said that Kerry lied to her face so I think Pamela was in the right

[Jake.]

Pamela was right by what she said, the flashback cleary showed Kerry saying that it wasnt fair on everyone in the house, but now Kerry is calling Pamela a sh** stirrer when she clearly isnt

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh someone in the episode thread just said that Kerry lied to her face so I think Pamela was in the right

As it was the fright night one and I wanted to see that one I watched it, and Kerry is just a stirrer, she was definately in the wrong.

[Jords]

Pamela claimed Kerry said her distribution with Darryn brought moral down in the house, but in fact it was Pamela that said this to Kerry. However Kerry claimed to have not spoken for the house but just for herself but actually she did say 'everybody'.

... evens.

[Suze]

There is a thread on DS about this also, and the majority see it as Kerry being the liar and stirrer. If Pam gets evicted tomorrow, it should make for an interesting interview especially her views on the housemates and that Kerry chat she had.

[Jords]

Its not a case of stirring on either side neither... they just got their memory muddled.

[Novo]

Pamela was right clearly Also why did Kerry have to be so rude to her in that situation? just because it was Pamela she felt the need to belittle her and talk to her like she was a Moron. Awful vile woman.

[stickydatepudding]

Transcript if it helps:

Kerry: You ok Pamela?
Pamela: Mm hmm. I am. I'm I am. You know, you'd said to me you know 'the morale has died down because of you and Darryn' and I was like, I have nothing against Darryn.
Kerry: Who said that?
Pamela: You did, you said that to me.

[Flashback]
Kerry: We had a little chat and I went in and I went 'I feel like there's an atmosphere in the house between you and Darryn and I didn't think it was fair'. That's all I said.
Pamela: Fair for?
Kerry: Everybody.
Pamela: Mm.
Kerry: That's all I said.
Pamela: Yeah I don't think it is either.
Kerry: That is all I said.
Pamela: I think it, as I said, my own personal view is, I think it affects the morale.
Kerry: Mm.
[/flashback]

Pamela: You said you, because of you and Darryn it's kind of brought everybody down and so when the opportunity opened...
Kerry: No, I said, no Pamela you've misinterpreted what I said to you. I, I'll be honest with you Pamela, sometimes I don't think you actually listen to what I say sometimes unless it's my accent.
Pamela: No, that's what I heard, so you can correct me
Kerry: I knew you was getting at Darryn and I could feel an atmosphere between the pair of ya. That is all I said. I didn't say it about the whole house, I just said that I feel there's an atmosphere between the pair of you.
Pamela: Yeah, and then other people had said
Kerry: That's my personal opinion and if you've heard it from other people, then that's come from them, that is ****-stirring.
Pamela: Yeah, I, I actually tried, I tried...
Kerry: So whoever's told you this stuff you should go and approach and say it.

[Pamela leaves]
Pamela: Oh, the little boys, I love these kids.

[Mac Hiavellian]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

The flash back thing just doesnt work.

Was that flashback even shown the night before? This is what's annoying me about the HL show edits - you follow whatever you're shown (standard BB) but then a story/scene that happened in the past is suddenly dug up and presented that you weren't aware of.

I know that back when LF was available there was only so many clips you could cram in to 1 HL show so a lot must've ended up on the cutting room floor but you don't get the full context of what's going on in the flashbacks and they look like they were deliberately staged lol

[amai-murasaki]

Originally Posted by Novo

Pamela was right clearly Also why did Kerry have to be so rude to her in that situation? just because it was Pamela she felt the need to belittle her and talk to her like she was a Moron. Awful vile woman.

I think people are just making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill & just Chilax. I just thought at the time of seeing the footage Kerry didn't really want to discuss anything with Pamela & just said whatever came to her head to stop the conversation. I am sure if they ever play it back to Kerry, she would see her mistake & apologise.

[Ammi]

Kerry definately said the situation wasn't fair and when Pamela asked 'fair for who?' she said 'everybody' and Pamela agreed. When there's a clash of personalities in such a confined environment, it has a negative effect on everyone around and they were both in agreement on that, Kerry wasn't laying blame on Pamela, just stating facts, so there was no point in lying about having said it, but she did lie

[joeysteele]

Kerry tried to backtrack a bit, Pamela was possibly more right than Kerry but they both had discrepancies as to how it was meant.

Kerry though is a clever manipulator,I think I would avoid even talking to her for the fear of being misrepresented by her to anyone else.
Pamela though, does seem to have some problems.

I don't think the whole thing was a big deal anyway.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by amai-murasaki

I think people are just making a Mountain out of a Mole Hill & just Chilax. I just thought at the time of seeing the footage Kerry didn't really want to discuss anything with Pamela & just said whatever came to her head to stop the conversation. I am sure if they ever play it back to Kerry, she would see her mistake & apologise.

[tony1104]

Kerry lied .... Pamela said EXACTLY what Kerry had said the night before! Yet Kerry made her feel bad by accusing her of being a "stirrer" What a BITCH. Kick another woman while shes down Kantona why dont you !!

[JAJ1942]

Kerry lied, she did say "everybody", I am liking her less by the day. Fed up of her putting herself up as a victim when she made her own choices, she wasted more money than any of us see in a lifetime and yet she is still after our sympathy and using her kids into the bargain. She is out to win this and doesn't care who she steps on to get there. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to be taken in by her which is sad.

[Jake.]

This is why I feel bad for Pamela. The whole house seems to be against her. Fair enough, if shes annoying then shes anboying but dont lie to her face

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by JAJ1942

Kerry lied, she did say "everybody", I am liking her less by the day. Fed up of her putting herself up as a victim when she made her own choices, she wasted more money than any of us see in a lifetime and yet she is still after our sympathy and using her kids into the bargain. She is out to win this and doesn't care who she steps on to get there. Unfortunately a lot of people seem to be taken in by her which is sad.

Well said.

[Janet12]

just remrmber guy,s we only c what they want us to wee dont no if anything else was said so no one can say who isin the wrong if we had live feed we would av seen it all

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Janet12

just remrmber guy,s we only c what they want us to wee dont no if anything else was said so no one can say who isin the wrong if we had live feed we would av seen it all

True, but we don't have l/f so can only use the tools at hand

[Livia]

Kerry said that the obvious tension between Pamela and Darryn was "affecting everyone in the house" and that apparently "isn't fair". Kerry was in the wrong, the clue is in the words.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Kerry said that the obvious tension between Pamela and Darryn was "affecting everyone in the house" and that apparently "isn't fair". Kerry was in the wrong, the clue is in the words.

I watched it again and you are spot on.