[Astrid Essed]

SHOPPING YOUR CHILD TO THE POLICE IS WRONG AND UNNATURAL
KILLS RELATION AND TRUST BETWEEN PARENTS AND CHIILDREN


Dear Editor and readers,

To my opinion it is an unnatural act, that parents shop their child to the police

See

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14516137

The duty of parents is to protect their children and not to shop them to the police, thus destroying the children's chance on a good career and future
It is also destroying the trust and good relatiion between parents and children
Because if children can't count on the natural protection, to whom they can turn?

Of course this does NOT mean, that parents agree with criminal facts of their children, because they also have the duty to correct and punish, sometimes sternly, if needed
And it also depends, of course, on the suspected crime

When there is possible murder involved, there is a different story, although even in that case I prefer that parents stmulate their children to go to the police themselves

In case of the riots I think it's pure nonsense to shop ones children to the police

Looting and burning is not acceptable, but let's remind the fact, that the whole thing started by the police shooting of a black man, not the first time, but almost ''common'' since the eighties of the former century, without proper punishment of the policemen involved
Also the social injustice is a cause to the riots

See also

http://www.phillyimc.org/en/riots-en...rising-unheard

And besides that, the punishments for some looting were extremely hard
Will parents, who love their children, do that to them?
No, parents love means protecting the child and punish or correcting the children themselves, not betray them to the police

Kind greetings

Astrid Essed

Amsterdam
The Netherlands

[Livia]

If your child is brought up to respect other people and have manners, you presumably wouldn't have to shop them to the police. The riot was nothing to do with the police shooting what was a known criminal who was carrying a gun. It was to do with getting free stuff and burning the businesses of honest, hard-working people. You talk about social injustice but clearly know nothing about it.

Your post displays a sad liberalism... wringing your hands for the criminal and ignoring the plight of the victim. It's that kind of ethos that allowed the riot to kick off in the first place.

Thanks for dropping in though.

[Benjamin]

Awwww what a shame, some of the looters got punished too severely. Tough. They shouldn't have jumped on the bandwagon, broken the law, stole, caused criminal damage, wasted police time and caused an expensive clean-up operation; most of who did it without even the knowledge to how or why it all started, they just wanted to 'be involved'.

Also, parents love means protecting them, but they also have a duty to educate their children; if they have broken the law then they have a duty to teach their kids that and that breaking the law results in punishment.

I suggest you educate yourself further before making rather daft opinions.

[Omah]

Shop 'em, shop 'em all .....

[lostalex]

i honestly have no idea what this shopping to police means?? is it like narc'ing?

[Omah]

'give information that leads to an arrest'



http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/grass-up.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Omah

'give information that leads to an arrest'



http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/grass-up.html

IC, yea, we call that "narc"ing here. same thing.

i wouldn't ever Narc on my family members. The cops are being paid to catch criminals, they don't need my help.

[Pyramid*]

I think (typically) the only parents who would do so...are those who brought their kids up to be respectful to others and to the Law of the Land, they might not nec agree but that's how civilised society works - and when they are continue crossing bounardies: this is one way that they will learn their lesson.

I see not one thing wrong with it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IC, yea, we call that "narc"ing here. same thing.

i wouldn't ever Narc on my family members. The cops are being paid to catch criminals, they don't need my help.

Really...... so if you knew one of your family members had raped several people and was highly likely to continue doing so (as an example) , you'd keep your mouth shut.

Shocking.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Really...... so if you knew one of your family members had raped several people and was highly likely to continue doing so (as an example) , you'd keep your mouth shut.

Shocking.

No, if i knew for SURE my family member had done such a thing, then no, obviously if i had someone so vile in my family i would turn them in, but none of my family would ever do that, so... all of MY family members i'd assume was innocent. I'd protect my family because i know them. none of my family could rape.

[lostalex]

You don't understand my family dude, my family is basically just my brother an my dad an me, an if you knew my brother an my dad you'd know why i would protect them from any accusations.

If it was one of my stupid cousins, then hell no, i wouln';t protect them.

But i know my dad and my brother, and i would protect them.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

IC, yea, we call that "narc"ing here. same thing.

i wouldn't ever Narc on my family members. The cops are being paid to catch criminals, they don't need my help.

Originally Posted by lostalex

No, if i knew for SURE my family member had done such a thing, then no, obviously if i had someone so vile in my family i would turn them in, but none of my family would ever do that, so... all of MY family members i'd assume was innocent. I'd protect my family because i know them. none of my family could rape.

You wouldn't tell on them. Then... you would tell on them.

You can never be sure what any loved one is capable of -until it happens. I am 100% that a great many family members have said the same as you about their relatives: only to be left utterly shellshocked.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

You wouldn't tell on them. Then... you would tell on them.

You can never be sure what any loved one is capable of -until it happens. I am 100% that a great many family members have said the same as you about their relatives: only to be left utterly shellshocked.

I'm a very judgemental person. i think i could tell.

[Kazanne]

I think if you truly love your child and they commit a crime,it is your duty to show them the outcome of their actions,so yes call the police ,hopefully this would then stop them going on to commit worse crimes,so many kids are let to run wild and the outcome as we see so often can be horrendous,kids at a young age have to be 'trained' much as a young animal to be respectful and aware of other peoples feelings,Schools also need to have the right to discipline again and kids need to learn to respect their surroundings.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I'm a very judgemental person. i think i could tell.

I not quite sure that you understand the meaning of the word, 'judgemental' in the context you've used it above.

Being able to make accurate judegment on another, is not the same as being judgemental.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by kazanne

I think if you truly love your child and they commit a crime,it is your duty to show them the outcome of their actions,so yes call the police ,hopefully this would then stop them going on to commit worse crimes,so many kids are let to run wild and the outcome as we see so often can be horrendous,kids at a young age have to be 'trained' much as a young animal to be respectful and aware of other peoples feelings,Schools also need to have the right to discipline again and kids need to learn to respect their surroundings.

Quite. One of those situations that the old saying, "Tough Love" has to apply.

[cub]

I would never shop my child. However I wouldn't have anything to do with them until they owned up. If questioned by the police I would tell the truth, but I wouldn't initiate steps towards their arrest.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by cub

I would never shop my child. However I wouldn't have anything to do with them until they owned up. If questioned by the police I would tell the truth, but I wouldn't initiate steps towards their arrest.

Doing that is providing information that would /could lead to arrest.....ie 'shopping on the person'.

[Niamh.]

Depends on the crime I think and the motive behind the crime, I think it would have to be pretty bad though for me to "shop" my child

[Zippy]

There is no absolute rule about right or wrong on this issue. Part of being a parent is deciding what is a suitable punishment. Some parents do not have the ability to impose any effective punishment on their children because they are out of control. In those cases choosing to let the law impose punishment can be the only option.

I applaud any parent that has the guts to hand in their guilty child. Its called tough love and at the end of the day can be extremely beneficial to that child. Which I think is the ultimate intention.

[Cromwell1900]

If this 11 yr old had gotten away with this crime, he likely would of continued to commit crime, he would of been arrested at an age where serious consequences would of applied. The Mother in question would of looked back at his first Offense and realized it as the tipping point in her Son's Life, and maybe regretted her in-action.

If you look at just what she has done to the lad

1. Being Cautioned by the Police
2. The Police knowing of that caution till he turns 16, or is it 18
3. Any second offense being treated as a second offense

It's not really anything severe enough to harp on about "A Mothers Love for here Child" and "Broken Bonds of Trust". At this stage in his young life he will be getting away with it either way. What i think his Mother realized, which perhaps most don't is just that fact, and felt she could prevent further offenses by letting him go through the process of a Minor Criminal. And i would put a small amount of money on it working like a Charm.

[Glenn.]

I with the mother with this. Hell yeah she should of shopped in the little hoodlum. Its a parents responsibility to teach their children wrong from right. If her child did wrong then why shouldn't he be punished?

[Shasown]

Too right shop the little get, he didnt get her the hair straightener she wanted when he went looting so she may as well buy them for herself out of the community action cash reward.

[Grimnir]

if you find out your child has committed a serious crime don't shop them, just shoot them

[Sticks]

I suspect the person who started this thread is an internet troll, given that their only other post here