[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

She is only 20 and none of us have any idea what experience she's had relationship wise. Like Jay says, she's a bit naive in the fact that she doesn't know a lot of stuff relationship wise. You remember the conversations she's had and she always second guesses herself, she always asks the guys how they interpret things and whether they are good things or bad things, in terms of how she acts or what they think of her.

Is she immature. no, but she is overly sensitive, as someone pointed out, especially when alcohol comes into play and she is naive when it comes to relationships and the opposite sex. Not everyone who's 20 has had a proper relationship, she is still young after all.

And for those who are saying by the time I was this age I was doing that, it's not what this is about. This is about how she deals with relationships and her emotions, not life as a whole. I'm a year older than her and I'm quite mature because of my life experiences as well but not everyone matures at the same rate and who knows what her life experiences have been like. She may have been fortunate and never had the struggles some of us have had.

You guys gotta look at the big picture whether you're for a person or not. Clearly most aren't afraid to admit it when their person is right but don't be afraid to admit if they're wrong as well. She has a lot of faults but who doesn't. She's a twenty year old young woman who's clearly trying to find her way in life and she's just hitting a few potholes along the path.

I'm not making any allowances for her age. If she is inexperienced or over sensitive, I have to wonder what on earth she was thinking, applying for BB in the first place, knowing what the show demands...........Yes, we do all have faults, but then if we are going to put them on display for the nation, we must be prepared to be judged....

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I'm not making any allowances for her age. If she is inexperienced or over sensitive, I have to wonder what on earth she was thinking, applying for BB in the first place, knowing what the show demands...........Yes, we do all have faults, but then if we are going to put them on display for the nation, we must be prepared to be judged....

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

I have no opinions on H.M's when they enter the house, but my eviction votes are based on their characters as I see them, with livefeed in previous years.....that is a judgement in itself. We all like/dislike different things in people, so are going to vote people out for what we personally see as a dislikable trait........If I am ever a H.M, feel free to throw stones my way.........

I am curious which ex H.M you are................did I vote you out..........

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I have no opinions on H.M's when they enter the house, but my eviction votes are based on their characters as I see them, with livefeed in previous years.....that is a judgement in itself. We all like/dislike different things in people, so are going to vote people out for what we personally see as a dislikable trait........If I am ever a H.M, feel free to throw stones my way.........

I am curious which ex H.M you are................did I vote you out..........

Ermm...no, nor did you offend me nor was I trying to be rude. Like I said, shade but no shade.

You can vote on someone based on characteristics you don't like yes but you don't have to judge them per say. For example, I can call someone a bitch but I'm not judging them I'm basing that off of conversations exchanged personally.

I've said things about Rebeckah based on what she does for a living and the things she's said. Same with Faye, Anton & Aaron.

What I'm trying to say here is 'judge' is the wrong term to use. Yes if you don't like the way someone is being presented then you don't vote to save them, that's your right, but that's entirely different from judging someone, especially someone we essentially know very little about.

Originally Posted by angus58

Mature enough to jump Aaron's bones though eh? One minute a fully consenting adult, the next a spoilt brat. Most people grow out of the childish tantrums and tears for attention by the time they hit puberty. But there's always the exception I guess

If you had read my post you can clearly see that I state that she's overly sensitive and emotionally unstable, especially when alcohol is involved. SOME people grow out of childish tantrums by the time they hit puberty, others wait until adulthood and some never do.

I also don't agree with her and Aaron making out, from both sides. I think if they were gonna do it, they should have waited a lot longer than the next day, if not don't do it at all because it's not doing either of them any favours and they BOTH might, have or will wind up looking like idiots.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

Ermm...no, nor did you offend me nor was I trying to be rude. Like I said, shade but no shade.

You can vote on someone based on characteristics you don't like yes but you don't have to judge them per say. For example, I can call someone a bitch but I'm not judging them I'm basing that off of conversations exchanged personally.

I've said things about Rebeckah based on what she does for a living and the things she's said. Same with Faye, Anton & Aaron.

What I'm trying to say here is 'judge' is the wrong term to use. Yes if you don't like the way someone is being presented then you don't vote to save them, that's your right, but that's entirely different from judging someone, especially someone we essentially know very little about.





If you had read my post you can clearly see that I state that she's overly sensitive and emotionally unstable, especially when alcohol is involved. SOME people grow out of childish tantrums by the time they hit puberty, others wait until adulthood and some never do.

I also don't agree with her and Aaron making out, from both sides. I think if they were gonna do it, they should have waited a lot longer than the next day, if not don't do it at all because it's not doing either of them any favours and they BOTH might, have or will wind up looking like idiots.

I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think it is up to the viewer to decide on whether they judge a person on the show - or not, and how they chose to do so.

Far as I'm aware, these people enter into the goldfish bowl that is the BB house of their own volition, they aren't forced into it, so your 'he who lives in a glass house etc', is completely invalid. 100%.

Housemates know what they are letting themselves in for. They feel the price they will pay either way is worth it to get on the show. That may change after they experience it - but hey: they put themselves in that position.

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Ammi

I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................

Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

I think it is up to the viewer to decide on whether they judge a person on the show - or not, and how they chose to do so.

Far as I'm aware, these people enter into the goldfish bowl that is the BB house of their own volition, they aren't forced into it, so your 'he who lives in a glass house etc', is completely invalid. 100%.

Housemates know what they are letting themselves in for. They feel the price they will pay either way is worth it to get on the show. That may change after they experience it - but hey: they put themselves in that position.