[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

You don't HAVE to judge anyone. It's your right to comment on what is being displayed but, at the same time, he who lives in a glass house mustn't throw stones. Shade but no shade.

Apparently she was one of the finalist for last year's big brother as well. Because most of them were selected from some of last year's crop. Who knew what people think. Honestly, I would go on to just to say I've been on Big Brother lol!

I have no opinions on H.M's when they enter the house, but my eviction votes are based on their characters as I see them, with livefeed in previous years.....that is a judgement in itself. We all like/dislike different things in people, so are going to vote people out for what we personally see as a dislikable trait........If I am ever a H.M, feel free to throw stones my way.........

I am curious which ex H.M you are................did I vote you out..........

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I have no opinions on H.M's when they enter the house, but my eviction votes are based on their characters as I see them, with livefeed in previous years.....that is a judgement in itself. We all like/dislike different things in people, so are going to vote people out for what we personally see as a dislikable trait........If I am ever a H.M, feel free to throw stones my way.........

I am curious which ex H.M you are................did I vote you out..........

Ermm...no, nor did you offend me nor was I trying to be rude. Like I said, shade but no shade.

You can vote on someone based on characteristics you don't like yes but you don't have to judge them per say. For example, I can call someone a bitch but I'm not judging them I'm basing that off of conversations exchanged personally.

I've said things about Rebeckah based on what she does for a living and the things she's said. Same with Faye, Anton & Aaron.

What I'm trying to say here is 'judge' is the wrong term to use. Yes if you don't like the way someone is being presented then you don't vote to save them, that's your right, but that's entirely different from judging someone, especially someone we essentially know very little about.

Originally Posted by angus58

Mature enough to jump Aaron's bones though eh? One minute a fully consenting adult, the next a spoilt brat. Most people grow out of the childish tantrums and tears for attention by the time they hit puberty. But there's always the exception I guess

If you had read my post you can clearly see that I state that she's overly sensitive and emotionally unstable, especially when alcohol is involved. SOME people grow out of childish tantrums by the time they hit puberty, others wait until adulthood and some never do.

I also don't agree with her and Aaron making out, from both sides. I think if they were gonna do it, they should have waited a lot longer than the next day, if not don't do it at all because it's not doing either of them any favours and they BOTH might, have or will wind up looking like idiots.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

Ermm...no, nor did you offend me nor was I trying to be rude. Like I said, shade but no shade.

You can vote on someone based on characteristics you don't like yes but you don't have to judge them per say. For example, I can call someone a bitch but I'm not judging them I'm basing that off of conversations exchanged personally.

I've said things about Rebeckah based on what she does for a living and the things she's said. Same with Faye, Anton & Aaron.

What I'm trying to say here is 'judge' is the wrong term to use. Yes if you don't like the way someone is being presented then you don't vote to save them, that's your right, but that's entirely different from judging someone, especially someone we essentially know very little about.





If you had read my post you can clearly see that I state that she's overly sensitive and emotionally unstable, especially when alcohol is involved. SOME people grow out of childish tantrums by the time they hit puberty, others wait until adulthood and some never do.

I also don't agree with her and Aaron making out, from both sides. I think if they were gonna do it, they should have waited a lot longer than the next day, if not don't do it at all because it's not doing either of them any favours and they BOTH might, have or will wind up looking like idiots.

I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I think it is up to the viewer to decide on whether they judge a person on the show - or not, and how they chose to do so.

Far as I'm aware, these people enter into the goldfish bowl that is the BB house of their own volition, they aren't forced into it, so your 'he who lives in a glass house etc', is completely invalid. 100%.

Housemates know what they are letting themselves in for. They feel the price they will pay either way is worth it to get on the show. That may change after they experience it - but hey: they put themselves in that position.

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Ammi

I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................

Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact

[tweetypiebabe1]

Originally Posted by Ammi

By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact

Yea he did lose his temper but he wasn't called into the diary room to fix things wasn't that Jay like a week or two ago when they went crazy in the bedroom and put the mattress in pool? Harry just went into the diary room to cool off as far as I thought.

And I agree with you, they were spiteful words, said out of anger. If you read carefully you would see that I said that. Was it right to say? In that tone, at that moment possibly not but it's true, to an extent, that he should keep in mind how his son, most importantly, will perceive his bed hopping because I personally believe no child should witness their father kissing two girls & a boy in the space of a week and a bit.

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.

And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

Yea he did lose his temper but he wasn't called into the diary room to fix things wasn't that Jay like a week or two ago when they went crazy in the bedroom and put the mattress in pool? Harry just went into the diary room to cool off as far as I thought.

And I agree with you, they were spiteful words, said out of anger. If you read carefully you would see that I said that. Was it right to say? In that tone, at that moment possibly not but it's true, to an extent, that he should keep in mind how his son, most importantly, will perceive his bed hopping because I personally believe no child should witness their father kissing two girls & a boy in the space of a week and a bit.




And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.

I could state that Harry was in fact called into the diary room by BB. Later he went in, himself, to apologise, but originally he was called in, when he entered the bedroom with the beans....................

I could state that Faye's bringing Aaron's son into her justification for her behaviour, is a judgement in itself.......by inferring he is letting his son down by kissing Maisy....she said nothing when he kissed Tom, that apparently was ok and she has gone on to kiss him herself....so I presume that is ok. I presume the first and third kiss are fine with Faye, it seems to be the second kiss with Maisy that is causing the 'shame' with his family..........
As to 'bed hopping', it is true that two of the kisses were in the bed, but where they took place is irrelevant, they were still kisses and bed hopping implies something else entirely. As for two kisses (as it was at the time), with two different people in the space of a couple of weeks..................it is 2011, I doubt his family would find that shocking.

I agree with you on one point. none of us are perfect. However, I do feel to see what this has to do with anything. This is not a show of moral dilemma's, it is entertainment. Perhaps we should not form any opinions or judgements at all, but give them all the benefit of the doubt.......let's not evict anyone.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say or whether you are defending Faye or not...you have taken it so far off topic.....

Back to topic, I don't make any allowances for Faye's age. I don't make any judgements on the kisses. Faye's behaviour after Aaron's kiss with Maisy was spiteful and out of order and since she has now kissed Aaron herself, hypocritical...........in my opinion, of course.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1

And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.

As I say, regardless of skeletons in cupboards, If I want to judge someone who elects to go onto a tv show and have their behaviour monitored, recorded and played back to the nation - because they (in the majority of cases) have oversized egos and think they are something special and are out to jump on the celeb wannabee bandwagon - that's their choice - and as such, they are the ones who put themselves in the position of allowing the public to form an opinion /judgement on them.

You may not like that - but that is precisely the nature of the show. You say you were a former housemate: it comes across (to me) that you appear not to have handled well, any possible criticisms that may have come your own way. That's not a fact, that's very much my own opinion.

I note that you 'appear' to only have your own viewpoint when the hms are being criticised or discussed negatively as far as people judging the hms. Is it only that aspect that you don't like the judgements being made, and it's fine it the judgement is of a very positive variety?